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  • J Online
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    jon-nyc
    wrote 27 days ago last edited by
    #356

    This is interesting to watch, just to see where the heads of this faction of Maga are at. He's proposing a deal where Israel and Iran both give up their nukes.

    They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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      Mik
      wrote 27 days ago last edited by
      #357

      Yeah, that’s a non-starter. Israel wants peace with all. Iran’s is death to everyone but us. There’s no equivalence to be found.

      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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      • J Online
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        jon-nyc
        wrote 27 days ago last edited by
        #358

        Interesting but probably assumes the IRGC retains power after the assassination.

        They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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        • J Online
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          jon-nyc
          wrote 27 days ago last edited by
          #359

          Does it mean anything? I don’t know. But here it is.

          They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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          • J Online
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            jon-nyc
            wrote 27 days ago last edited by
            #360

            Trump posted this.

            IMG_5912.jpeg

            They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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            • J Online
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              jon-nyc
              wrote 26 days ago last edited by
              #361

              This magat is a JD Vance favorite and a frequent TuCa guest.

              They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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              • J Online
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                jon-nyc
                wrote 26 days ago last edited by
                #362

                Jesus no.

                They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                • J jon-nyc
                  26 days ago

                  Jesus no.

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                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote 26 days ago last edited by
                  #363

                  @jon-nyc said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

                  Jesus no.

                  They're actually saying that they were told that a bunker buster is enough to get the job done - the tactical nuke sounds like complete speculation by Fox and The Guardian.

                  I was only joking

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                  • J Online
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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote 26 days ago last edited by jon-nyc
                    #364

                    If you’re cold, they’re cold. Bring them inside.

                    They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                      Mik
                      wrote 26 days ago last edited by
                      #365

                      To use a nuke to prevent nukes would be the height of hypocrisy.

                      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                      • M Mik
                        26 days ago

                        To use a nuke to prevent nukes would be the height of hypocrisy.

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                        AndyD
                        wrote 26 days ago last edited by
                        #366

                        @Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

                        To use a nuke to prevent nukes would be the height of hypocrisy.

                        That's an interesting statement. It must surely depend on intent?
                        Batant aggression, self defence etc.

                        When a person intends to kill you, has said so, written their intention for all to see, and is fastening a blade to a broom handle in order to kill you, is it wrong for you to use your spear to defend yourself preemptively?

                        And in our case we would only be destroying their spear making capabilities. In the hope that they could eventually change. Maybe spend the billions on agriculture instead of spears.

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                        • M Mik
                          27 days ago

                          Yeah, that’s a non-starter. Israel wants peace with all. Iran’s is death to everyone but us. There’s no equivalence to be found.

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                          kluurs
                          wrote 26 days ago last edited by kluurs
                          #367

                          @Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

                          Israel wants peace

                          Many (most?) Israeli's do - BUT just as in America, there are some very powerful and influential Israelis who want that PLUS a lot of land and more. Israel, like he US, has some significant parts of its population who have very different (contradictory) objectives.

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                            26 days ago

                            @Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

                            To use a nuke to prevent nukes would be the height of hypocrisy.

                            That's an interesting statement. It must surely depend on intent?
                            Batant aggression, self defence etc.

                            When a person intends to kill you, has said so, written their intention for all to see, and is fastening a blade to a broom handle in order to kill you, is it wrong for you to use your spear to defend yourself preemptively?

                            And in our case we would only be destroying their spear making capabilities. In the hope that they could eventually change. Maybe spend the billions on agriculture instead of spears.

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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote 26 days ago last edited by
                            #368

                            @AndyD

                            As fragile as it might have been at times, there’s a clear unwritten rule since 1945 that you don’t use nukes.

                            How long after we did would Putin?

                            They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                              Mik
                              wrote 26 days ago last edited by
                              #369

                              Not going to happen until someone has their back against the wall.

                              See “offramp”.

                              "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                Mik
                                wrote 26 days ago last edited by Mik
                                #370

                                I suspect the Iranian people as a whole have lost their fervor for spreading Islamic revolution now that they see their utter vulnerabilities. If they ever really had it. My impression is those who signed on to that did it for personal power, not ideology.

                                "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                • M Mik
                                  26 days ago

                                  I suspect the Iranian people as a whole have lost their fervor for spreading Islamic revolution now that they see their utter vulnerabilities. If they ever really had it. My impression is those who signed on to that did it for personal power, not ideology.

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                                  kluurs
                                  wrote 26 days ago last edited by
                                  #371

                                  @Mik said in The Iran Nuclear Program thread:

                                  I suspect the Iranian people as a whole have lost their fervor for spreading Islamic revolution now that they see their utter vulnerabilities. If they ever really had it. My impression is those who signed on to that did it for personal power, not ideology.

                                  Iran is not the only nation where a group of religious fanatics have a degree of influence out of bounds with that of the majority of the population - part of the reason that Chris Hitchens had such disdain for religion.

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                                  • J Online
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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote 26 days ago last edited by
                                    #372

                                    Cluster munitions used by Iran.

                                    They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                                      taiwan_girl
                                      wrote 26 days ago last edited by
                                      #373

                                      🤕

                                      IMG_3099.jpg

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote 26 days ago last edited by
                                        #374

                                        I don't agree with everything this guy says, but it's worth listening to.

                                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/what-are-iran-s-retaliation-options-if-the-u-s-were-to-strike/vi-AA1H3KAp

                                        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                          kluurs
                                          wrote 26 days ago last edited by
                                          #375

                                          Contrarian view

                                          Link to video

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