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    Horace
    wrote on 4 Mar 2025, 03:41 last edited by
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    So there is no squaring with the commonly accepted notion that Ukraine is losing the war, and the claim, while technically true, is a rhetorical cheap trick. Russia happened to occupy a bunch of territory in an undefended blitz at the start, from which they were pushed back, and into which they continue to encroach slowly.

    Education is extremely important.

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      4 Mar 2025, 03:36

      He’s in America with a decent social media platform.

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      Horace
      wrote on 4 Mar 2025, 03:42 last edited by
      #230

      @jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

      He’s in America with a decent social media platform.

      Sigh. You are completely shameless. I guess that's a gift.

      Education is extremely important.

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 4 Mar 2025, 03:48 last edited by
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        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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        • H Horace
          4 Mar 2025, 03:42

          @jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

          He’s in America with a decent social media platform.

          Sigh. You are completely shameless. I guess that's a gift.

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 4 Mar 2025, 03:51 last edited by
          #232

          @Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

          @jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

          He’s in America with a decent social media platform.

          Sigh. You are completely shameless. I guess that's a gift.

          He’s a public intellectual and gets interviewed a lot. Just because he hasn’t been on Rogan or Petersons podcast doesn’t mean he’s not part of the conversation. Maybe you need to add some non-magats to your twitter feed or some non-wokes to your Bluesky.

          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
          -Cormac McCarthy

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          • J jon-nyc
            4 Mar 2025, 03:51

            @Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

            @jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

            He’s in America with a decent social media platform.

            Sigh. You are completely shameless. I guess that's a gift.

            He’s a public intellectual and gets interviewed a lot. Just because he hasn’t been on Rogan or Petersons podcast doesn’t mean he’s not part of the conversation. Maybe you need to add some non-magats to your twitter feed or some non-wokes to your Bluesky.

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            Horace
            wrote on 4 Mar 2025, 03:52 last edited by
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            @jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

            @Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

            @jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

            He’s in America with a decent social media platform.

            Sigh. You are completely shameless. I guess that's a gift.

            He’s a public intellectual and gets interviewed a lot. Just because he hasn’t been on Rogan or Petersons podcast doesn’t mean he’s not part of the conversation. Maybe you need to add some non-magats to your twitter feed or some non-wokes to your Bluesky.

            No, this is not a failure of the breadth of my info feeds. This is a failure of your good faith reading of my point. You are eager to dunk as always, so you took my claims about how relatively quiet the opposition was to the Biden status quo, as a claim that there was no opposition at all. Because jon's gotta dunk. It's bad faith, and more tedious than you'll ever know.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • J jon-nyc
              4 Mar 2025, 03:38

              @Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

              @jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

              @Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

              @jon-nyc Great. Then it remains very odd how quiet the opposition was to the status quo under Biden, where Russia was slowly consuming Ukraine.

              They control less Ukrainian land now than they did 3 years ago.

              Interesting. Cite?

              Russia controlled the most Ukrainian territory in the current war around March 2022, shortly after the full-scale invasion began on February 24, 2022. At its peak, Russian forces occupied approximately 22% of Ukraine, including:
              • Nearly all of Luhansk and Donetsk (beyond pre-2022 positions).
              • Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, including Kherson city.
              • Northern Ukraine, including areas near Kyiv, Chernihiv, and Sumy (which they withdrew from in April 2022).

              Since then, Ukraine has regained significant territory, especially through counteroffensives in Kharkiv (September 2022) and Kherson (November 2022). Today, Russia still occupies parts of eastern and southern Ukraine, but its territorial control is significantly reduced from its early-war peak.

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              LuFins Dad
              wrote on 4 Mar 2025, 05:39 last edited by
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              @jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

              @Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

              @jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

              @Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

              @jon-nyc Great. Then it remains very odd how quiet the opposition was to the status quo under Biden, where Russia was slowly consuming Ukraine.

              They control less Ukrainian land now than they did 3 years ago.

              Interesting. Cite?

              Russia controlled the most Ukrainian territory in the current war around March 2022, shortly after the full-scale invasion began on February 24, 2022. At its peak, Russian forces occupied approximately 22% of Ukraine, including:
              • Nearly all of Luhansk and Donetsk (beyond pre-2022 positions).
              • Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, including Kherson city.
              • Northern Ukraine, including areas near Kyiv, Chernihiv, and Sumy (which they withdrew from in April 2022).

              Since then, Ukraine has regained significant territory, especially through counteroffensives in Kharkiv (September 2022) and Kherson (November 2022). Today, Russia still occupies parts of eastern and southern Ukraine, but its territorial control is significantly reduced from its early-war peak.

              How do the battle lines compare with the 2015/16 borders?

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              • L LuFins Dad
                4 Mar 2025, 05:39

                @jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

                @Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

                @jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

                @Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

                @jon-nyc Great. Then it remains very odd how quiet the opposition was to the status quo under Biden, where Russia was slowly consuming Ukraine.

                They control less Ukrainian land now than they did 3 years ago.

                Interesting. Cite?

                Russia controlled the most Ukrainian territory in the current war around March 2022, shortly after the full-scale invasion began on February 24, 2022. At its peak, Russian forces occupied approximately 22% of Ukraine, including:
                • Nearly all of Luhansk and Donetsk (beyond pre-2022 positions).
                • Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, including Kherson city.
                • Northern Ukraine, including areas near Kyiv, Chernihiv, and Sumy (which they withdrew from in April 2022).

                Since then, Ukraine has regained significant territory, especially through counteroffensives in Kharkiv (September 2022) and Kherson (November 2022). Today, Russia still occupies parts of eastern and southern Ukraine, but its territorial control is significantly reduced from its early-war peak.

                How do the battle lines compare with the 2015/16 borders?

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                taiwan_girl
                wrote on 4 Mar 2025, 14:47 last edited by
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                @LuFins-Dad said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

                How do the battle lines compare with the 2015/16 borders?

                As always, you got me thinking. So, did some checking and found a pretty good map from the BBC

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on 4 Mar 2025, 16:48 last edited by
                  #236

                  He may have lost Farage and LePen:

                  But he still has Medvedev.

                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 10 Mar 2025, 12:58 last edited by
                    #237

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                      10 Mar 2025, 12:58

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                      taiwan_girl
                      wrote on 10 Mar 2025, 13:26 last edited by
                      #238

                      @jon-nyc Yeah, Sec Rubio has to be cringing with some of the policies he has to follow. I think he will be one of the first ministers to leave - either voluntary or otherwise.

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                      • T taiwan_girl
                        10 Mar 2025, 13:26

                        @jon-nyc Yeah, Sec Rubio has to be cringing with some of the policies he has to follow. I think he will be one of the first ministers to leave - either voluntary or otherwise.

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                        Axtremus
                        wrote on 10 Mar 2025, 21:43 last edited by
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                        @taiwan_girl said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

                        @jon-nyc Yeah, Sec Rubio has to be cringing with some of the policies he has to follow. I think he will be one of the first ministers to leave - either voluntary or otherwise.

                        No, Trump is already a known quantity by his second election. Rubio knew exactly when he was getting into and he got in there anyway. He will continue to toe Trump’s line, whatever that is.

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                        • A Axtremus
                          10 Mar 2025, 21:43

                          @taiwan_girl said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

                          @jon-nyc Yeah, Sec Rubio has to be cringing with some of the policies he has to follow. I think he will be one of the first ministers to leave - either voluntary or otherwise.

                          No, Trump is already a known quantity by his second election. Rubio knew exactly when he was getting into and he got in there anyway. He will continue to toe Trump’s line, whatever that is.

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on 10 Mar 2025, 21:48 last edited by
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                          @Axtremus

                          Not sure, Ax. I think Rubio will either bail or risk being mercilessly thrown under the bus, when it becomes evident Putin has no intention to negotiate in good faith.

                          Elbows up!

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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on 11 Mar 2025, 09:19 last edited by
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                            The administration has reached the point where this had to be said.

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                            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                            -Cormac McCarthy

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                              89th
                              wrote on 11 Mar 2025, 11:58 last edited by
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                              I thought nothing was off the table to appease negotiate with Putin?

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