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  • HoraceH Horace

    @jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

    He’s in America with a decent social media platform.

    Sigh. You are completely shameless. I guess that's a gift.

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    jon-nyc
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    @Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

    @jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

    He’s in America with a decent social media platform.

    Sigh. You are completely shameless. I guess that's a gift.

    He’s a public intellectual and gets interviewed a lot. Just because he hasn’t been on Rogan or Petersons podcast doesn’t mean he’s not part of the conversation. Maybe you need to add some non-magats to your twitter feed or some non-wokes to your Bluesky.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      @Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

      @jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

      He’s in America with a decent social media platform.

      Sigh. You are completely shameless. I guess that's a gift.

      He’s a public intellectual and gets interviewed a lot. Just because he hasn’t been on Rogan or Petersons podcast doesn’t mean he’s not part of the conversation. Maybe you need to add some non-magats to your twitter feed or some non-wokes to your Bluesky.

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      #233

      @jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

      @Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

      @jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

      He’s in America with a decent social media platform.

      Sigh. You are completely shameless. I guess that's a gift.

      He’s a public intellectual and gets interviewed a lot. Just because he hasn’t been on Rogan or Petersons podcast doesn’t mean he’s not part of the conversation. Maybe you need to add some non-magats to your twitter feed or some non-wokes to your Bluesky.

      No, this is not a failure of the breadth of my info feeds. This is a failure of your good faith reading of my point. You are eager to dunk as always, so you took my claims about how relatively quiet the opposition was to the Biden status quo, as a claim that there was no opposition at all. Because jon's gotta dunk. It's bad faith, and more tedious than you'll ever know.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        @Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

        @jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

        @Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

        @jon-nyc Great. Then it remains very odd how quiet the opposition was to the status quo under Biden, where Russia was slowly consuming Ukraine.

        They control less Ukrainian land now than they did 3 years ago.

        Interesting. Cite?

        Russia controlled the most Ukrainian territory in the current war around March 2022, shortly after the full-scale invasion began on February 24, 2022. At its peak, Russian forces occupied approximately 22% of Ukraine, including:
        • Nearly all of Luhansk and Donetsk (beyond pre-2022 positions).
        • Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, including Kherson city.
        • Northern Ukraine, including areas near Kyiv, Chernihiv, and Sumy (which they withdrew from in April 2022).

        Since then, Ukraine has regained significant territory, especially through counteroffensives in Kharkiv (September 2022) and Kherson (November 2022). Today, Russia still occupies parts of eastern and southern Ukraine, but its territorial control is significantly reduced from its early-war peak.

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        @jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

        @Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

        @jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

        @Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

        @jon-nyc Great. Then it remains very odd how quiet the opposition was to the status quo under Biden, where Russia was slowly consuming Ukraine.

        They control less Ukrainian land now than they did 3 years ago.

        Interesting. Cite?

        Russia controlled the most Ukrainian territory in the current war around March 2022, shortly after the full-scale invasion began on February 24, 2022. At its peak, Russian forces occupied approximately 22% of Ukraine, including:
        • Nearly all of Luhansk and Donetsk (beyond pre-2022 positions).
        • Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, including Kherson city.
        • Northern Ukraine, including areas near Kyiv, Chernihiv, and Sumy (which they withdrew from in April 2022).

        Since then, Ukraine has regained significant territory, especially through counteroffensives in Kharkiv (September 2022) and Kherson (November 2022). Today, Russia still occupies parts of eastern and southern Ukraine, but its territorial control is significantly reduced from its early-war peak.

        How do the battle lines compare with the 2015/16 borders?

        The Brad

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        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

          @jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

          @Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

          @jon-nyc said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

          @Horace said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

          @jon-nyc Great. Then it remains very odd how quiet the opposition was to the status quo under Biden, where Russia was slowly consuming Ukraine.

          They control less Ukrainian land now than they did 3 years ago.

          Interesting. Cite?

          Russia controlled the most Ukrainian territory in the current war around March 2022, shortly after the full-scale invasion began on February 24, 2022. At its peak, Russian forces occupied approximately 22% of Ukraine, including:
          • Nearly all of Luhansk and Donetsk (beyond pre-2022 positions).
          • Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, including Kherson city.
          • Northern Ukraine, including areas near Kyiv, Chernihiv, and Sumy (which they withdrew from in April 2022).

          Since then, Ukraine has regained significant territory, especially through counteroffensives in Kharkiv (September 2022) and Kherson (November 2022). Today, Russia still occupies parts of eastern and southern Ukraine, but its territorial control is significantly reduced from its early-war peak.

          How do the battle lines compare with the 2015/16 borders?

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          @LuFins-Dad said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

          How do the battle lines compare with the 2015/16 borders?

          As always, you got me thinking. So, did some checking and found a pretty good map from the BBC

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            jon-nyc
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            #236

            He may have lost Farage and LePen:

            But he still has Medvedev.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              jon-nyc
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              #237

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

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                @jon-nyc Yeah, Sec Rubio has to be cringing with some of the policies he has to follow. I think he will be one of the first ministers to leave - either voluntary or otherwise.

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                • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                  @jon-nyc Yeah, Sec Rubio has to be cringing with some of the policies he has to follow. I think he will be one of the first ministers to leave - either voluntary or otherwise.

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                  Axtremus
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                  #239

                  @taiwan_girl said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

                  @jon-nyc Yeah, Sec Rubio has to be cringing with some of the policies he has to follow. I think he will be one of the first ministers to leave - either voluntary or otherwise.

                  No, Trump is already a known quantity by his second election. Rubio knew exactly when he was getting into and he got in there anyway. He will continue to toe Trump’s line, whatever that is.

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                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                    @taiwan_girl said in Gifts for Putin, Demands for Zelensky:

                    @jon-nyc Yeah, Sec Rubio has to be cringing with some of the policies he has to follow. I think he will be one of the first ministers to leave - either voluntary or otherwise.

                    No, Trump is already a known quantity by his second election. Rubio knew exactly when he was getting into and he got in there anyway. He will continue to toe Trump’s line, whatever that is.

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                    @Axtremus

                    Not sure, Ax. I think Rubio will either bail or risk being mercilessly thrown under the bus, when it becomes evident Putin has no intention to negotiate in good faith.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • jon-nycJ Online
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                      jon-nyc
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                      #241

                      The administration has reached the point where this had to be said.

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                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                      • 89th8 Online
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                        I thought nothing was off the table to appease negotiate with Putin?

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