Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?

[taiwan_girl]

@jolly. I dont think that anyone here would disagree that there is a lot of waste in government. But it is like @xenon said, this appears to be a very amateur way. They dont seem to have any plan, anyway to "quantify" the data, etc. From the articles, it makes them look laughable.

They are going in to a house to kill a mosquito and using a sledgehammer to TRY and do so.

Sure, a person could walk into my organization (or yours) and fire 90% of the staff and claim victory!!! Kind of like "winning the battle, but losing the war."

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/03/us/politics/doge-musk-contracts-wall.html

Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency has deleted hundreds more claims from its mistake-plagued “wall of receipts,” erasing $4 billion in additional savings that the group said it had made for U.S. taxpayers.

Late Sunday night, the group erased or altered more than 1,000 contracts it had claimed to cancel, representing more than 40 percent of all the contracts listed on its site last week. The deleted items included five of the seven largest savings that it had claimed credit for just last week. At the same time, the group added about 1,000 additional canceled contracts, worth smaller total savings.

It was the second time in a week that DOGE had deleted some of its greatest claims of success. Early last week, it erased all five of the largest savings it had claimed when the wall of receipts, which is what the group is calling its list of canceled contracts, was originally posted on Feb. 19.

[Jolly]

Ok.

[89th]

@xenon said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:

Shouldn’t the biggest effort to cut spending be aimed at where the biggest spending is?

And how useful is this when you’re on pace to become the administration overseeing the biggest increase in the deficit in the country’s history?

Yup coupon clipping while buying ferraris

[jon-nyc]

Yet more amateur hour.

Perhaps it would have been better if they had inserted a lie here.

[Copper]

Good, sell 'em all.

I'm sure the dems will eventually buy them all back at twice the price.

[89th]

[jon-nyc]

lol

[jon-nyc]

Federal outlays grew 7% in February compared to last year and the deficit grew 5%.

[A Former User]

As good a place as any to put this.

https://reason.com/2025/03/05/contrary-to-what-trump-said-even-doge-does-not-claim-to-have-identified-hundreds-of-billions-in-fraud/?utm_campaign=reason_brand&utm_content=&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_term=image,meme

[89th]

Pretty much anytime Trump says a number, divide it by a number from 3 to 8.

[jon-nyc]

Surely this is willful. He knows he lying by now.

Elon Musk: "Government waste and fraud is so high that it's causing a $2 trillion annual deficit. So that's 2,000 billion dollars of waste -- waste and fraud -- that's happening.

Surely he knows the deficit is caused mainly by funding things Americans want (SSA, health care, defense) without collecting enough taxes to pay for it. If he hasn’t figured that out yet, god help us.

[Jolly]

Well, hot damn and hallelujah!!

I want all kinds of stuff I can't pay for! Now I know I can spend money I don't have and buy whatever I want.

[jon-nyc]

And why would you ‘know’ that?

Seems like a huge non sequitur.

[Jolly]

No, it's just common sense.

One shouldn't spend money A) you don't have, and B) you cannot pay back.

No matter how badly you want ______.

[jon-nyc]

That is common sense.

But I still don’t understand your post as a response to mine. In what sense was I implying otherwise? Just because I called Elon out for his obvious lie doesn’t mean I think the current trajectory is sustainable. The world contains expenditures that are neither fraudulent, wasteful, or affordable.

[Jolly]

Because Elon is right. We're $2T in the hole. That's abuse, pure and simple. We're digging a hole where debt payment is going to swallow a massive portion of the budget and truly needed programs will be curtailed or ended.

[jon-nyc]

He didn’t say ‘we have a 2T deficit’. That would have been a factual albeit banal observation. He said we have 2T of waste and fraud. He knows otherwise.

[Jolly]

If it's in the red, it's waste, fraud or both.

Unless you wish to not equate incompetence with waste.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:

If it's in the red, it's waste, fraud or both.

Either that or it's submerged under a couple of gallons of Kool-Aid.

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:

@Jolly said in Is anyone tracking DOGE lies?:

If it's in the red, it's waste, fraud or both.

Either that or it's submerged under a couple of gallons of Kool-Aid.

OK, peanut.

You fix the problem. What's your solution?