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  • 89th8 Online
    89th8 Online
    89th
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    #1007

    I have but a simple brain, but an alternative would be to pass a 20-year spending plan that decreases spending on non-essentials, increases taxes for all, with a clear goal of what the "finish line" looks like, and once reached, an immutable law that spending must not result in XYZ debt unless 2/3 of the house and senate approve a wartime approval or some shit like that. In other words, a painful get healthy plan with strict fiscal guardrails in place.

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      Kalshi, the betting market for which Don Jr is an ‘advisor’, is now predicting close to 50T of debt by the time Trump is finished.

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      @jon-nyc said in Trumpenomics:

      Kalshi, the betting market for which Don Jr is an ‘advisor’, is now predicting close to 50T of debt by the time Trump is finished.

      I mean, on its own, that looks pretty fucking horrible, but by itself it doesn’t tell anywhere near the whole story. What would the alternatives look like? What happens if they allowed the TCJA cuts to expire? What does it look like if we cut spending even a moderate amount? The debt service and the entitlement programs would still push us to that point anyway, whether it’s 1-2 years earlier or later.

      The Brad

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        #1009

        So why aren’t we talking about the Jobs Report? https://thenationaldesk.com/news/americas-news-now/american-born-employment-reaches-record-high-as-foreign-born-jobs-continue-to-decline

        A record number of jobs for American born workers and a significant drop in foreign born jobs.

        Wages are up 3.7% over last year contrasted with 2.4% inflation, so that’s real wage growth.

        https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/

        The Brad

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          #1010

          Real wages have been growing since 2022. Though they’re down in q1 from 4q2024.

          They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            Real wages have been growing since 2022. Though they’re down in q1 from 4q2024.

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            #1011

            @jon-nyc said in Trumpenomics:

            Real wages have been growing since 2022. Though they’re down in q1 from 4q2024.

            And it was fantastic for the illegals…

            The Brad

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              #1012

              Trump announced a 50% tariff on copper. I think we have maybe 5% of the world’s supply, Chile has like 30%.

              Besides needlessly making construction and power generation more expensive, we’ve seen in the past when copper prices rise, so does crime as people steal/destroy things with high copper content to sell them.

              Nice going, Trump.

              They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                #1013

                It seems so economically pointless it makes me wonder if this is a patronage play that belongs in the corruption thread.

                They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                  xenon
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                  #1014

                  Every business plan in corporate America this year just has a line item for "chaos monkey" right now. This is ridiculous.

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                  • 89th8 Online
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                    wrote last edited by
                    #1015

                    With all the taxes on lumber and copper... get ready for even higher new home build prices!

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                      #1016

                      They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                        #1017

                        Trumpflation has landed…

                        https://www.reuters.com/business/us-inflation-expected-rise-june-with-tariff-driven-price-hikes-2025-07-15/

                        The Brad

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                          #1018

                          Lots of companies have been able to hold out with supply on hand (or supply they stocked up on) - with the hopes that we’d have more clarity before having to raise price.

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                            #1019

                            Yamaha price increase announced for August 1… But that’s been a fairly typical timeframe. I don’t mind saying the increase is above inflation…

                            The Brad

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                              I was on an investment strategy call with Merrill and they still think the tariffs are mostly a tactical threat and that they still expect decent corporate earnings for Q2, many coming out this week.

                              They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                                #1021

                                One funny thing though, they always come up with pithy names for various bear market episodes when they refer to them or compare them across time.

                                Example, the dot-com bust, the Great Financial Crisis, Covid, etc.

                                The name they settled on for the spring bear market and the associated volatility is ‘The Tariff Tantrum’.

                                They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                                  https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/15/us/politics/canada-tariffs-mark-carney-trump.html

                                  Canada’s Leader Says There’s Little Hope of Avoiding U.S. Tariffs
                                  After long insisting that Canada could avoid Trump tariffs through talks, Mark Carney now says that is unlikely for any nation.

                                  Maybe the sh!t will hit the fan for real this time. 🤷

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                                  • 89th8 Online
                                    89th8 Online
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                                    #1023

                                    So basically time the Trump Tariff Tantrum and make some money but get out of the market before the great dollar collapse of 2035?

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                                      #1024

                                      We’ll see. Their ‘base case’ forecast is always pretty optimistic. They are in the business of getting you to invest your money after all, not put it in your mattress.

                                      They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        We’ll see. Their ‘base case’ forecast is always pretty optimistic. They are in the business of getting you to invest your money after all, not put it in your mattress.

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                                        #1025

                                        @jon-nyc said in Trumpenomics:

                                        We’ll see. Their ‘base case’ forecast is always pretty optimistic. They are in the business of getting you to invest your money after all, not put it in your mattress.

                                        I’m having to attend a little strategy lunch with my finance guy tomorrow. I’m wondering what he’ll propose and how I’l react. My son had his meeting last week, and now a small portion of his portfolio has been infused with Crypto. AI and Bitcoin seem to be topics of Zoom meetings and webinars of late, but I don’t understand this stuff, .. at my stage of life, I hesitate. Yet I’ve too much sitting as cash, and my freeholder stuff isn’t flowing so well now. I’m quite tired of your president’s Tariff Tantum.

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                                        • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                          https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/15/us/politics/canada-tariffs-mark-carney-trump.html

                                          Canada’s Leader Says There’s Little Hope of Avoiding U.S. Tariffs
                                          After long insisting that Canada could avoid Trump tariffs through talks, Mark Carney now says that is unlikely for any nation.

                                          Maybe the sh!t will hit the fan for real this time. 🤷

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #1026

                                          @Axtremus said in Trumpenomics:

                                          https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/15/us/politics/canada-tariffs-mark-carney-trump.html

                                          Canada’s Leader Says There’s Little Hope of Avoiding U.S. Tariffs
                                          After long insisting that Canada could avoid Trump tariffs through talks, Mark Carney now says that is unlikely for any nation.

                                          Maybe the sh!t will hit the fan for real this time. 🤷

                                          Carney is just being realistic about the future trading relationship. No sense looking at it any other way.

                                          Canada will just have to build closer trade and investment relations with the UK, EU, the Asian markets and South America where practicable.

                                          Elbows up!

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