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    taiwan_girl
    wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 16:36 last edited by
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    In 2021, Montana led the states with the highest proportion of federal funding to the overall budget at 31.8%, followed by New Mexico (30.7%), Kentucky (30.1%), Louisiana (29.8%), and Alaska (29.0%).

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    Another way to evaluate reliance on federal funding is on a per-person basis, where federal funding is represented as the average amount a state receives per resident to better illustrate the extent of federal support relative to population.

    Using this metric, Alaska had the highest rate of federal funding in 2021 at roughly $8,628 per person, a whole 26.5% more than the second-highest state, Rhode Island, which received $6,821. They’re followed by New Mexico ($6,748), Wyoming ($6,718), and Delaware ($6,011).

    https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-rely-the-most-on-federal-aid/

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      Jolly
      wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 16:42 last edited by
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      The per person funding is interesting. New York receives more money per person than Louisiana.

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        28 Jan 2025, 16:36

        In 2021, Montana led the states with the highest proportion of federal funding to the overall budget at 31.8%, followed by New Mexico (30.7%), Kentucky (30.1%), Louisiana (29.8%), and Alaska (29.0%).

        and

        Another way to evaluate reliance on federal funding is on a per-person basis, where federal funding is represented as the average amount a state receives per resident to better illustrate the extent of federal support relative to population.

        Using this metric, Alaska had the highest rate of federal funding in 2021 at roughly $8,628 per person, a whole 26.5% more than the second-highest state, Rhode Island, which received $6,821. They’re followed by New Mexico ($6,748), Wyoming ($6,718), and Delaware ($6,011).

        https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-rely-the-most-on-federal-aid/

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        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 16:43 last edited by
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        @taiwan_girl said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:

        the second-highest state, Rhode Island

        uh oh

        I was only joking

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 16:47 last edited by
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          When you net out taxes paid by state you see a huge subsidy from blue to red.

          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
          -Cormac McCarthy

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            28 Jan 2025, 16:47

            When you net out taxes paid by state you see a huge subsidy from blue to red.

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            Horace
            wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 16:49 last edited by
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            @jon-nyc How much of that is due to farm subsidies? The cities have to get their food from somewhere.

            Education is extremely important.

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 16:50 last edited by
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              I don’t know. Probably part of it. A huge part is more rich people live on blue states so we pay more taxes.

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              -Cormac McCarthy

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                28 Jan 2025, 16:47

                When you net out taxes paid by state you see a huge subsidy from blue to red.

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                taiwan_girl
                wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 16:52 last edited by
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                @jon-nyc said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:

                When you net out taxes paid by state you see a huge subsidy from blue to red.

                Top ten

                New Mexico
                West Virginia
                Alaska
                Mississippi
                Montana
                Hawaii
                Vermont
                Louisiana
                Alabama
                Wyoming

                Bottom Ten

                Minnesota
                New Jersey
                Delware
                Illinois
                Florida
                Washington
                S. Dakota
                Mass
                Nebraska
                California

                https://digg.com/finance/link/states-most-dependent-on-the-federal-government-ranked-59CWzbWb10

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                • J jon-nyc
                  28 Jan 2025, 16:50

                  I don’t know. Probably part of it. A huge part is more rich people live on blue states so we pay more taxes.

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                  Horace
                  wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 16:52 last edited by
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                  @jon-nyc Granted. But the statistic about net subsidy to red states takes on a very different pallor if it's agriculture stuff, rather than welfare stuff. Agriculture stuff is shared with the blue states as a necessity for their own existence.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    28 Jan 2025, 16:47

                    When you net out taxes paid by state you see a huge subsidy from blue to red.

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                    Doctor Phibes
                    wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 17:16 last edited by
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                    @jon-nyc said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:

                    When you net out taxes paid by state you see a huge subsidy from blue to red.

                    Oh, that makes more sense. The earlier data quoted is very misleading.

                    I was only joking

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                      28 Jan 2025, 16:50

                      I don’t know. Probably part of it. A huge part is more rich people live on blue states so we pay more taxes.

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                      Mik
                      wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 17:19 last edited by Mik
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                      @jon-nyc said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:

                      I don’t know. Probably part of it. A huge part is more rich people live on blue states so we pay more taxes.

                      Nonetheless, the debt is red and blue. Comparing it by party isn't going to help us solve the problem.

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 17:25 last edited by
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                        True that

                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                          Copper
                          wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 17:49 last edited by
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                          Red states farm, blue states eat.

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                            28 Jan 2025, 17:49

                            Red states farm, blue states eat.

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                            Doctor Phibes
                            wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 18:06 last edited by
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                            @Copper said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:

                            Red states farm, blue states eat.

                            I'm pretty sure blue states eat too. Some of them eat a lot.

                            I was only joking

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                              Mik
                              wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 18:07 last edited by
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                              I'm pretty sure too-big-for-Lyft girl is a Democrat.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 18:08 last edited by
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                                Largest farm state: California.

                                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                -Cormac McCarthy

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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 18:08 last edited by Mik
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                                  Yeah, but they grow that Democrat food. Y'know, artichokes and almonds and shit. Brussels sprouts.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 18:09 last edited by
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                                    Top ten obesity states: All red.

                                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                                      Mik
                                      wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 18:10 last edited by
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                                      They grow REAL food. Pigs and cows and shit.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 18:13 last edited by
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                                        Read the thread.

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                                          89th
                                          wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 18:17 last edited by
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                                          Probably a dumb question, but does the President have the power to stop federal grants? I'd imagine that would be a legislative branch duty.

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