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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    When you net out taxes paid by state you see a huge subsidy from blue to red.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      When you net out taxes paid by state you see a huge subsidy from blue to red.

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      @jon-nyc How much of that is due to farm subsidies? The cities have to get their food from somewhere.

      Education is extremely important.

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        I don’t know. Probably part of it. A huge part is more rich people live on blue states so we pay more taxes.

        Only non-witches get due process.

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          When you net out taxes paid by state you see a huge subsidy from blue to red.

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          @jon-nyc said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:

          When you net out taxes paid by state you see a huge subsidy from blue to red.

          Top ten

          New Mexico
          West Virginia
          Alaska
          Mississippi
          Montana
          Hawaii
          Vermont
          Louisiana
          Alabama
          Wyoming

          Bottom Ten

          Minnesota
          New Jersey
          Delware
          Illinois
          Florida
          Washington
          S. Dakota
          Mass
          Nebraska
          California

          https://digg.com/finance/link/states-most-dependent-on-the-federal-government-ranked-59CWzbWb10

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            I don’t know. Probably part of it. A huge part is more rich people live on blue states so we pay more taxes.

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            @jon-nyc Granted. But the statistic about net subsidy to red states takes on a very different pallor if it's agriculture stuff, rather than welfare stuff. Agriculture stuff is shared with the blue states as a necessity for their own existence.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              When you net out taxes paid by state you see a huge subsidy from blue to red.

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              @jon-nyc said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:

              When you net out taxes paid by state you see a huge subsidy from blue to red.

              Oh, that makes more sense. The earlier data quoted is very misleading.

              I was only joking

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                I don’t know. Probably part of it. A huge part is more rich people live on blue states so we pay more taxes.

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                @jon-nyc said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:

                I don’t know. Probably part of it. A huge part is more rich people live on blue states so we pay more taxes.

                Nonetheless, the debt is red and blue. Comparing it by party isn't going to help us solve the problem.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  True that

                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                    Red states farm, blue states eat.

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                      Red states farm, blue states eat.

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                      @Copper said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:

                      Red states farm, blue states eat.

                      I'm pretty sure blue states eat too. Some of them eat a lot.

                      I was only joking

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                      • MikM Away
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                        I'm pretty sure too-big-for-Lyft girl is a Democrat.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          Largest farm state: California.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                            Yeah, but they grow that Democrat food. Y'know, artichokes and almonds and shit. Brussels sprouts.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              Top ten obesity states: All red.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                                They grow REAL food. Pigs and cows and shit.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  Read the thread.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    Probably a dumb question, but does the President have the power to stop federal grants? I'd imagine that would be a legislative branch duty.

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                                    • 89th8 89th

                                      Probably a dumb question, but does the President have the power to stop federal grants? I'd imagine that would be a legislative branch duty.

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                                      @89th said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:

                                      Probably a dumb question, but does the President have the power to stop federal grants? I'd imagine that would be a legislative branch duty.

                                      Good question. But the legislature has ceded whatever authority it's supposed to have to the executive a few decades ago. Hence all the EOs.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • 89th8 89th

                                        Probably a dumb question, but does the President have the power to stop federal grants? I'd imagine that would be a legislative branch duty.

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                                        @89th said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:

                                        Probably a dumb question, but does the President have the power to stop federal grants? I'd imagine that would be a legislative branch duty.

                                        Probably in most cases no. And ignoring these laws harms many identifiable people so standing won’t be an issue. (Contrast that to the TikTok law, where (perhaps) only congress has standing and they’ve chosen to make their branch of government subservient to the executive.)

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          @89th said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:

                                          Probably a dumb question, but does the President have the power to stop federal grants? I'd imagine that would be a legislative branch duty.

                                          Good question. But the legislature has ceded whatever authority it's supposed to have to the executive a few decades ago. Hence all the EOs.

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                                          @George-K said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:

                                          @89th said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:

                                          Probably a dumb question, but does the President have the power to stop federal grants? I'd imagine that would be a legislative branch duty.

                                          Good question. But the legislature has ceded whatever authority it's supposed to have to the executive a few decades ago. Hence all the EOs.

                                          Yeah they're a double-edged sword, depending if you agree with it. For example, restoring biology to the federal government, or ending DEI? Awesome. Stopping NIH funding or declaring an energy emergency? Doesn't add up. I guess I don't blame Trump for using the weapons in his arsenal, but I get a feeling he's sitting at his desk thinking he is king... punishing those disloyal to him (like Bolton, or leadership in OPM), and signing orders that otherwise would run through a due process in the legislature, although that's a whole other quagmire).

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