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The federal gravy train hits a hard stop

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  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

    In 2021, Montana led the states with the highest proportion of federal funding to the overall budget at 31.8%, followed by New Mexico (30.7%), Kentucky (30.1%), Louisiana (29.8%), and Alaska (29.0%).

    and

    Another way to evaluate reliance on federal funding is on a per-person basis, where federal funding is represented as the average amount a state receives per resident to better illustrate the extent of federal support relative to population.

    Using this metric, Alaska had the highest rate of federal funding in 2021 at roughly $8,628 per person, a whole 26.5% more than the second-highest state, Rhode Island, which received $6,821. They’re followed by New Mexico ($6,748), Wyoming ($6,718), and Delaware ($6,011).

    https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-rely-the-most-on-federal-aid/

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    @taiwan_girl said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:

    the second-highest state, Rhode Island

    uh oh

    I was only joking

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      When you net out taxes paid by state you see a huge subsidy from blue to red.

      Only non-witches get due process.

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        When you net out taxes paid by state you see a huge subsidy from blue to red.

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        @jon-nyc How much of that is due to farm subsidies? The cities have to get their food from somewhere.

        Education is extremely important.

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          I don’t know. Probably part of it. A huge part is more rich people live on blue states so we pay more taxes.

          Only non-witches get due process.

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            When you net out taxes paid by state you see a huge subsidy from blue to red.

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            @jon-nyc said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:

            When you net out taxes paid by state you see a huge subsidy from blue to red.

            Top ten

            New Mexico
            West Virginia
            Alaska
            Mississippi
            Montana
            Hawaii
            Vermont
            Louisiana
            Alabama
            Wyoming

            Bottom Ten

            Minnesota
            New Jersey
            Delware
            Illinois
            Florida
            Washington
            S. Dakota
            Mass
            Nebraska
            California

            https://digg.com/finance/link/states-most-dependent-on-the-federal-government-ranked-59CWzbWb10

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              I don’t know. Probably part of it. A huge part is more rich people live on blue states so we pay more taxes.

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              @jon-nyc Granted. But the statistic about net subsidy to red states takes on a very different pallor if it's agriculture stuff, rather than welfare stuff. Agriculture stuff is shared with the blue states as a necessity for their own existence.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                When you net out taxes paid by state you see a huge subsidy from blue to red.

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                @jon-nyc said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:

                When you net out taxes paid by state you see a huge subsidy from blue to red.

                Oh, that makes more sense. The earlier data quoted is very misleading.

                I was only joking

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  I don’t know. Probably part of it. A huge part is more rich people live on blue states so we pay more taxes.

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                  @jon-nyc said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:

                  I don’t know. Probably part of it. A huge part is more rich people live on blue states so we pay more taxes.

                  Nonetheless, the debt is red and blue. Comparing it by party isn't going to help us solve the problem.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    True that

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                      Red states farm, blue states eat.

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                        Red states farm, blue states eat.

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                        @Copper said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:

                        Red states farm, blue states eat.

                        I'm pretty sure blue states eat too. Some of them eat a lot.

                        I was only joking

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                          I'm pretty sure too-big-for-Lyft girl is a Democrat.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            Largest farm state: California.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                              Yeah, but they grow that Democrat food. Y'know, artichokes and almonds and shit. Brussels sprouts.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                Top ten obesity states: All red.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

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                                  They grow REAL food. Pigs and cows and shit.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    Read the thread.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      Probably a dumb question, but does the President have the power to stop federal grants? I'd imagine that would be a legislative branch duty.

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                                      • 89th8 89th

                                        Probably a dumb question, but does the President have the power to stop federal grants? I'd imagine that would be a legislative branch duty.

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                                        @89th said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:

                                        Probably a dumb question, but does the President have the power to stop federal grants? I'd imagine that would be a legislative branch duty.

                                        Good question. But the legislature has ceded whatever authority it's supposed to have to the executive a few decades ago. Hence all the EOs.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • 89th8 89th

                                          Probably a dumb question, but does the President have the power to stop federal grants? I'd imagine that would be a legislative branch duty.

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                                          @89th said in The federal gravy train hits a hard stop:

                                          Probably a dumb question, but does the President have the power to stop federal grants? I'd imagine that would be a legislative branch duty.

                                          Probably in most cases no. And ignoring these laws harms many identifiable people so standing won’t be an issue. (Contrast that to the TikTok law, where (perhaps) only congress has standing and they’ve chosen to make their branch of government subservient to the executive.)

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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