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[jon-nyc]

That was 1100 a day under Obama. Almost double the amount of TFM’s first term.

[Jolly]

Out of how many people that needed deporting?

[jon-nyc]

It varied but was never below 10MM in his tenure. Bush had similar numbers with far fewer illegals.

Interesting to see the history. Basically bloomed under Clinton and Bush and went down, but not as fast, under Obama and Trump. Both got an assist from economic crises.

[Jolly]

IIRC, Eisenhower brought in a general to address deportations and border control...

[George K]

Somewhere I read that Biden counted anyone turned away at the border as "deportation."

[LuFins Dad]

That’s the context missing here, how many weren’t deported, simply not allowed entry?

[George K]

Let's ask:

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Did the Biden administration count people turned away at the border as deportations?

Yes, the Biden administration has included individuals turned away at the border in its deportation statistics. These actions, often referred to as "expulsions," were primarily conducted under Title 42, a public health policy invoked during the COVID-19 pandemic to rapidly expel migrants without formal processing. Between March 2020 and May 2023, there were approximately 3 million such expulsions, the majority occurring under the Biden administration. When combined with other deportation actions, the administration's total repatriations reached nearly 4.4 million, surpassing the figures of any single presidential term since George W. Bush.

It's important to note that these expulsions under Title 42 are distinct from traditional deportations carried out under Title 8 immigration law, which typically involve formal removal proceedings. The inclusion of Title 42 expulsions in overall deportation statistics has been a subject of discussion, as it reflects the administration's approach to border management during the pandemic.

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Did the Trump administration count people turned away at the border as deportations?

Yes, the Trump administration did count individuals turned away at the border under Title 42 as part of its deportation statistics. Title 42, a public health policy invoked in March 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic, allowed for the rapid expulsion of migrants without formal immigration proceedings. Between its implementation in March 2020 and the end of President Trump's term in January 2021, nearly 400,000 expulsions were conducted under Title 42.

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From its implementation in March 2020 until the end of President Trump's term in January 2021, there were nearly 400,000 expulsions under Title 42. The policy remained in effect throughout much of President Biden's term, leading to a total of approximately 2.8 million expulsions by the time Title 42 ended in May 2023.

Therefore, under the Trump administration, there were about 400,000 Title 42 expulsions, while the Biden administration accounted for approximately 2.4 million expulsions under the same authority.

[jon-nyc]

@LuFins-Dad said in 308 down…:

That’s the context missing here, how many weren’t deported, simply not allowed entry?

Not really. Seem like two different task with two different sets of (at least personnel) resources. The field office in NJ can make a certain amount of arrests whether the border is leaky or tight.

[jon-nyc]

@George-K

Seems to me counting them is ok if, under previous policy, they would have been let in pending an asylum hearing. If not then it seems like cheating.

[taiwan_girl]

But, but, but, I was told that President Trump shut down the border during his first term.

[taiwan_girl]

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/donald-trump-immigration-ice/2025/02/03/id/1197607/

Some immigrants arrested last week have been released back into the U.S. on a monitoring program due to space constraints and court orders, reported NBC News.

The report comes as President Donald Trump is set to test the limits of his immigration crackdown by invoking a wartime law to deport immigrants alleged to be gang members without court hearings, a broad authority that could supercharge his mass deportation push and potentially sweep in people not charged with crimes.

[Jolly]

@taiwan_girl He tried his damndest, and he had some success. If the Dems would have worked with him, he would have done even better.

Or did you not remember that part?

[taiwan_girl]

@Jolly I just presented the above with no comment.

I have mentioned here many times here that I am in favor of increased legal immigration but am not a fan of illegal immigration.

Ive also said I am pretty sure that the vast majority of illegal immigrants here in the US came here for economic reasons.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Jolly said in 308 down…:

IIRC, Eisenhower brought in a general to address deportations and border control...

Thanks to that general, we have the immigration problems we have today with the southern border.

[Jolly]

@Aqua-Letifer said in 308 down…:

@Jolly said in 308 down…:

IIRC, Eisenhower brought in a general to address deportations and border control...

Thanks to that general, we have the immigration problems we have today with the southern border.

Care to expand?

[Aqua Letifer]

@Jolly said in 308 down…:

@Aqua-Letifer said in 308 down…:

@Jolly said in 308 down…:

IIRC, Eisenhower brought in a general to address deportations and border control...

Thanks to that general, we have the immigration problems we have today with the southern border.

Care to expand?

He didn't understand the difference between the kinds of illegal immigrants we had. A great many of them hopped the border, worked here for a bit, then hopped back home. There was a constant back-and-forth. We liked the cheap labor, they liked the pay, and no it wasn't drug-related. Then there were the nefarious immigrants, the ones looking to have anchor babies, etc.

By treating them all the same, he changed the risk calculation for the returners. Now it made sense for everybody to jump the border and try to stay. It didn't act as a deterrent, it just flooded the demand.

[jon-nyc]

Interesting. Not a perspective I’d heard before

[taiwan_girl]

Well, he didn't last long. LOL

Caleb Vitello, the acting head of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, is being reassigned amid internal frustrations over the agency's progress in carrying out President Trump's mass deportation goals, administration officials told CBS News on Friday.