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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #34

    554 Detainers lodged? WTF does that even mean?

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      554 Detainers lodged? WTF does that even mean?

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      George K
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      #35

      @jon-nyc said in 308 down…:

      554 Detainers lodged? WTF does that even mean?

      No clue.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        #36

        U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement works closely with local, state and federal law enforcement agencies to protect the public from national security, public safety and border security threats.

        In some cases, that means ICE’s federal law enforcement officers lodge immigration detainers against potentially dangerous aliens who have been arrested by another law enforcement agency or are removable from the United States.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • jon-nycJ Offline
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          #37

          Ah, ok. Calling Federal dibs on someone already arrested.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            jon-nyc
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            #38

            Biden is conspicuously absent from this list but the numbers are surprising all the same.

            IMG_2626.jpeg

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • jon-nycJ Offline
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              jon-nyc
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              #39

              That was 1100 a day under Obama. Almost double the amount of TFM’s first term.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
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                #40

                Out of how many people that needed deporting?

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • jon-nycJ Offline
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                  jon-nyc
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                  #41

                  It varied but was never below 10MM in his tenure. Bush had similar numbers with far fewer illegals.

                  Interesting to see the history. Basically bloomed under Clinton and Bush and went down, but not as fast, under Obama and Trump. Both got an assist from economic crises.

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                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    #42

                    IIRC, Eisenhower brought in a general to address deportations and border control...

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
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                      #43

                      Somewhere I read that Biden counted anyone turned away at the border as "deportation."

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • LuFins DadL Offline
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                        LuFins Dad
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                        #44

                        That’s the context missing here, how many weren’t deported, simply not allowed entry?

                        The Brad

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                        • George KG Offline
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                          George K
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                          Let's ask:


                          Did the Biden administration count people turned away at the border as deportations?

                          Yes, the Biden administration has included individuals turned away at the border in its deportation statistics. These actions, often referred to as "expulsions," were primarily conducted under Title 42, a public health policy invoked during the COVID-19 pandemic to rapidly expel migrants without formal processing. Between March 2020 and May 2023, there were approximately 3 million such expulsions, the majority occurring under the Biden administration. When combined with other deportation actions, the administration's total repatriations reached nearly 4.4 million, surpassing the figures of any single presidential term since George W. Bush.

                          It's important to note that these expulsions under Title 42 are distinct from traditional deportations carried out under Title 8 immigration law, which typically involve formal removal proceedings. The inclusion of Title 42 expulsions in overall deportation statistics has been a subject of discussion, as it reflects the administration's approach to border management during the pandemic.


                          Did the Trump administration count people turned away at the border as deportations?

                          Yes, the Trump administration did count individuals turned away at the border under Title 42 as part of its deportation statistics. Title 42, a public health policy invoked in March 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic, allowed for the rapid expulsion of migrants without formal immigration proceedings. Between its implementation in March 2020 and the end of President Trump's term in January 2021, nearly 400,000 expulsions were conducted under Title 42.


                          From its implementation in March 2020 until the end of President Trump's term in January 2021, there were nearly 400,000 expulsions under Title 42. The policy remained in effect throughout much of President Biden's term, leading to a total of approximately 2.8 million expulsions by the time Title 42 ended in May 2023.

                          Therefore, under the Trump administration, there were about 400,000 Title 42 expulsions, while the Biden administration accounted for approximately 2.4 million expulsions under the same authority.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                            That’s the context missing here, how many weren’t deported, simply not allowed entry?

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                            @LuFins-Dad said in 308 down…:

                            That’s the context missing here, how many weren’t deported, simply not allowed entry?

                            Not really. Seem like two different task with two different sets of (at least personnel) resources. The field office in NJ can make a certain amount of arrests whether the border is leaky or tight.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                              @George-K

                              Seems to me counting them is ok if, under previous policy, they would have been let in pending an asylum hearing. If not then it seems like cheating.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                                But, but, but, I was told that President Trump shut down the border during his first term.

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                                  https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/donald-trump-immigration-ice/2025/02/03/id/1197607/

                                  Some immigrants arrested last week have been released back into the U.S. on a monitoring program due to space constraints and court orders, reported NBC News.

                                  The report comes as President Donald Trump is set to test the limits of his immigration crackdown by invoking a wartime law to deport immigrants alleged to be gang members without court hearings, a broad authority that could supercharge his mass deportation push and potentially sweep in people not charged with crimes.

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                                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                    But, but, but, I was told that President Trump shut down the border during his first term.

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                                    Jolly
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                                    @taiwan_girl He tried his damndest, and he had some success. If the Dems would have worked with him, he would have done even better.

                                    Or did you not remember that part?

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      @taiwan_girl He tried his damndest, and he had some success. If the Dems would have worked with him, he would have done even better.

                                      Or did you not remember that part?

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                                      @Jolly I just presented the above with no comment. 😛

                                      I have mentioned here many times here that I am in favor of increased legal immigration but am not a fan of illegal immigration.

                                      Ive also said I am pretty sure that the vast majority of illegal immigrants here in the US came here for economic reasons.

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        IIRC, Eisenhower brought in a general to address deportations and border control...

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                                        Aqua Letifer
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                                        @Jolly said in 308 down…:

                                        IIRC, Eisenhower brought in a general to address deportations and border control...

                                        Thanks to that general, we have the immigration problems we have today with the southern border.

                                        Please love yourself.

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                                        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                          @Jolly said in 308 down…:

                                          IIRC, Eisenhower brought in a general to address deportations and border control...

                                          Thanks to that general, we have the immigration problems we have today with the southern border.

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                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in 308 down…:

                                          @Jolly said in 308 down…:

                                          IIRC, Eisenhower brought in a general to address deportations and border control...

                                          Thanks to that general, we have the immigration problems we have today with the southern border.

                                          Care to expand?

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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