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    LuFins Dad
    wrote on 26 Jan 2025, 18:14 last edited by
    #31

    The DEA is getting in on the action…

    https://denvergazette.com/news/adams-county-illegal-immigrants-drug-raid/article_2a8d6ff8-dc08-11ef-aa74-0b7501f48802.html

    Several dozen of those arrested were part of that gang taking over apartment buildings in Aurora, CO.

    The Brad

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      Jolly
      wrote on 26 Jan 2025, 18:28 last edited by
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      And...Trump’s approval rating went up 5 points last week...

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        23 Jan 2025, 00:42

        https://nypost.com/2025/01/22/us-news/ice-arrested-308-illegal-migrants-on-trumps-first-day-in-office-border-czar-tom-homan-says/

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        George K
        wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 01:47 last edited by
        #33

        @LuFins-Dad said in 308 down…:

        https://nypost.com/2025/01/22/us-news/ice-arrested-308-illegal-migrants-on-trumps-first-day-in-office-border-czar-tom-homan-says/

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        Are all of these criminals? Have they been tried, sentenced?

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 01:50 last edited by
          #34

          554 Detainers lodged? WTF does that even mean?

          Only non-witches get due process.

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            27 Jan 2025, 01:50

            554 Detainers lodged? WTF does that even mean?

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            George K
            wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 01:52 last edited by
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            @jon-nyc said in 308 down…:

            554 Detainers lodged? WTF does that even mean?

            No clue.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              Horace
              wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 01:53 last edited by
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              U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement works closely with local, state and federal law enforcement agencies to protect the public from national security, public safety and border security threats.

              In some cases, that means ICE’s federal law enforcement officers lodge immigration detainers against potentially dangerous aliens who have been arrested by another law enforcement agency or are removable from the United States.

              Education is extremely important.

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on 27 Jan 2025, 01:55 last edited by
                #37

                Ah, ok. Calling Federal dibs on someone already arrested.

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 11:29 last edited by
                  #38

                  Biden is conspicuously absent from this list but the numbers are surprising all the same.

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                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 11:31 last edited by
                    #39

                    That was 1100 a day under Obama. Almost double the amount of TFM’s first term.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 12:03 last edited by
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                      Out of how many people that needed deporting?

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 12:18 last edited by
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                        It varied but was never below 10MM in his tenure. Bush had similar numbers with far fewer illegals.

                        Interesting to see the history. Basically bloomed under Clinton and Bush and went down, but not as fast, under Obama and Trump. Both got an assist from economic crises.

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                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 12:28 last edited by
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                          IIRC, Eisenhower brought in a general to address deportations and border control...

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            George K
                            wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 12:46 last edited by
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                            Somewhere I read that Biden counted anyone turned away at the border as "deportation."

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              LuFins Dad
                              wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 12:48 last edited by
                              #44

                              That’s the context missing here, how many weren’t deported, simply not allowed entry?

                              The Brad

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                                George K
                                wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 12:53 last edited by
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                                Let's ask:


                                Did the Biden administration count people turned away at the border as deportations?

                                Yes, the Biden administration has included individuals turned away at the border in its deportation statistics. These actions, often referred to as "expulsions," were primarily conducted under Title 42, a public health policy invoked during the COVID-19 pandemic to rapidly expel migrants without formal processing. Between March 2020 and May 2023, there were approximately 3 million such expulsions, the majority occurring under the Biden administration. When combined with other deportation actions, the administration's total repatriations reached nearly 4.4 million, surpassing the figures of any single presidential term since George W. Bush.

                                It's important to note that these expulsions under Title 42 are distinct from traditional deportations carried out under Title 8 immigration law, which typically involve formal removal proceedings. The inclusion of Title 42 expulsions in overall deportation statistics has been a subject of discussion, as it reflects the administration's approach to border management during the pandemic.


                                Did the Trump administration count people turned away at the border as deportations?

                                Yes, the Trump administration did count individuals turned away at the border under Title 42 as part of its deportation statistics. Title 42, a public health policy invoked in March 2020 during the COVID-19 pandemic, allowed for the rapid expulsion of migrants without formal immigration proceedings. Between its implementation in March 2020 and the end of President Trump's term in January 2021, nearly 400,000 expulsions were conducted under Title 42.


                                From its implementation in March 2020 until the end of President Trump's term in January 2021, there were nearly 400,000 expulsions under Title 42. The policy remained in effect throughout much of President Biden's term, leading to a total of approximately 2.8 million expulsions by the time Title 42 ended in May 2023.

                                Therefore, under the Trump administration, there were about 400,000 Title 42 expulsions, while the Biden administration accounted for approximately 2.4 million expulsions under the same authority.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  28 Jan 2025, 12:48

                                  That’s the context missing here, how many weren’t deported, simply not allowed entry?

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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 12:58 last edited by
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                                  @LuFins-Dad said in 308 down…:

                                  That’s the context missing here, how many weren’t deported, simply not allowed entry?

                                  Not really. Seem like two different task with two different sets of (at least personnel) resources. The field office in NJ can make a certain amount of arrests whether the border is leaky or tight.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 13:00 last edited by
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                                    @George-K

                                    Seems to me counting them is ok if, under previous policy, they would have been let in pending an asylum hearing. If not then it seems like cheating.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      taiwan_girl
                                      wrote on 28 Jan 2025, 14:56 last edited by
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                                      But, but, but, I was told that President Trump shut down the border during his first term.

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                                        taiwan_girl
                                        wrote on 4 Feb 2025, 14:46 last edited by
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                                        https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/donald-trump-immigration-ice/2025/02/03/id/1197607/

                                        Some immigrants arrested last week have been released back into the U.S. on a monitoring program due to space constraints and court orders, reported NBC News.

                                        The report comes as President Donald Trump is set to test the limits of his immigration crackdown by invoking a wartime law to deport immigrants alleged to be gang members without court hearings, a broad authority that could supercharge his mass deportation push and potentially sweep in people not charged with crimes.

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                                          28 Jan 2025, 14:56

                                          But, but, but, I was told that President Trump shut down the border during his first term.

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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on 4 Feb 2025, 15:00 last edited by
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                                          @taiwan_girl He tried his damndest, and he had some success. If the Dems would have worked with him, he would have done even better.

                                          Or did you not remember that part?

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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