Mr. Clemency
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I mean, Biden only did the last minute pardons because of Trump's threats. That part isn't even debatable. Biden's other pardons/clemencies earlier in this thread... seems normal for most Presidents, not that I agree with most of it.
wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 15:38 last edited by@89th said in Mr. Clemency:
I mean, Biden only did the last minute pardons because of Trump's threats. That part isn't even debatable.
Trump 2016, offered up tons of rhetoric about prosecuting 'Crooked Hillary' ("lock her up/You'd be in jail", etc)
As soon as he won---he dropped it. So, I guess if we go by Trumps own actions---this may well have just been a bunch of rhetoric. The people who have been printing things for Biden to scribble his name on are aware of this--so I would say quite debatable acksually.
Shame on him for giving Biden the political cover for his pre-emptive pardons though.
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It's nice to see he's pardoned the online drug dealer behind the dark web site Silk Road, since as we know the current fentanyl crisis is all China and Canada's fault.
wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 15:38 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Mr. Clemency:
It's nice to see he's pardoned the online drug dealer behind the dark web site Silk Road, since as we know the current fentanyl crisis is all China and Canada's fault.
I read a book on that case. I'm glad he got the pardon.
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It's nice to see he's pardoned the online drug dealer behind the dark web site Silk Road, since as we know the current fentanyl crisis is all China and Canada's fault.
wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 15:41 last edited byYes I read about that too this morning.
Either Ulbricht was clearly a hapless victim of a corrupt criminal justice system or, as a noted US diplomat once observed, “in his [Trump’s] mind, the truth is whatever he wants it to be.”
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wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 15:52 last edited by
He set up a dark web marketplace where lots of transactions happened, including drug sales. Ulbricht personally never sold drugs, but profited off of every transaction on the marketplace, including the drugs. Then there was some embarrassing murder for hire stuff where Ulbricht got scammed by fake hit men, who he was indeed trying to hire. I wouldn't have been mad if he'd stayed in jail, but I'm not mad that he got a pardon. I think unequivocally he's no danger to society going forward.
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@89th said in Mr. Clemency:
I mean, Biden only did the last minute pardons because of Trump's threats. That part isn't even debatable.
Trump 2016, offered up tons of rhetoric about prosecuting 'Crooked Hillary' ("lock her up/You'd be in jail", etc)
As soon as he won---he dropped it. So, I guess if we go by Trumps own actions---this may well have just been a bunch of rhetoric. The people who have been printing things for Biden to scribble his name on are aware of this--so I would say quite debatable acksually.
Shame on him for giving Biden the political cover for his pre-emptive pardons though.
wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 16:32 last edited by@Rich said in Mr. Clemency:
@89th said in Mr. Clemency:
I mean, Biden only did the last minute pardons because of Trump's threats. That part isn't even debatable.
Trump 2016, offered up tons of rhetoric about prosecuting 'Crooked Hillary' ("lock her up/You'd be in jail", etc)
As soon as he won---he dropped it. So, I guess if we go by Trumps own actions---this may well have just been a bunch of rhetoric. The people who have been printing things for Biden to scribble his name on are aware of this--so I would say quite debatable acksually.
Shame on him for giving Biden the political cover for his pre-emptive pardons though.
Actually, go pull the tapes.
Madcow, CNN, several of the other folks at MSDNC (Madcow's network) were having hissy fits at the end of Trump's first term, because Trump inquired his staff about whether preemptive pardons were constitutional.
He did not pardon anybody preemptively.
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wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 16:39 last edited by
Tell us you didn’t understand Rich’s post without telling us you didn’t understand Rich’s post.
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wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 16:44 last edited by
I understood his post. Just adding to it
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@Rich said in Mr. Clemency:
@89th said in Mr. Clemency:
I mean, Biden only did the last minute pardons because of Trump's threats. That part isn't even debatable.
Trump 2016, offered up tons of rhetoric about prosecuting 'Crooked Hillary' ("lock her up/You'd be in jail", etc)
As soon as he won---he dropped it. So, I guess if we go by Trumps own actions---this may well have just been a bunch of rhetoric. The people who have been printing things for Biden to scribble his name on are aware of this--so I would say quite debatable acksually.
Shame on him for giving Biden the political cover for his pre-emptive pardons though.
Actually, go pull the tapes.
Madcow, CNN, several of the other folks at MSDNC (Madcow's network) were having hissy fits at the end of Trump's first term, because Trump inquired his staff about whether preemptive pardons were constitutional.
He did not pardon anybody preemptively.
wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 16:57 last edited by@Jolly said in Mr. Clemency:
@Rich said in Mr. Clemency:
@89th said in Mr. Clemency:
I mean, Biden only did the last minute pardons because of Trump's threats. That part isn't even debatable.
Trump 2016, offered up tons of rhetoric about prosecuting 'Crooked Hillary' ("lock her up/You'd be in jail", etc)
As soon as he won---he dropped it. So, I guess if we go by Trumps own actions---this may well have just been a bunch of rhetoric. The people who have been printing things for Biden to scribble his name on are aware of this--so I would say quite debatable acksually.
Shame on him for giving Biden the political cover for his pre-emptive pardons though.
Actually, go pull the tapes.
Madcow, CNN, several of the other folks at MSDNC (Madcow's network) were having hissy fits at the end of Trump's first term, because Trump inquired his staff about whether preemptive pardons were constitutional.
He did not pardon anybody preemptively.
What I'm saying is Trump (unnecessarily) gave Biden political cover for the pardons...even though Trumps past actions don't indicate a predilection towards 'lawfare'.
If Trump had kept his mouth shut--even in the post election time period--Bidens handlers may not have felt the justification to write up these pardons, and we'd have been able to get the investigations he claims to have wanted. Unless, in a sort of 4(or maybe 5 or 6)D chess move--he knew the investigations would fizzle out...So by by threatening prosecution, he tricked the Biden crime family into pardoning themselves--making them look guilty, which would achieve the best effort-to-victory ratio possible under the circumstances.
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It's nice to see he's pardoned the online drug dealer behind the dark web site Silk Road, since as we know the current fentanyl crisis is all China and Canada's fault.
wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 18:59 last edited by taiwan_girl@Doctor-Phibes said in Mr. Clemency:
It's nice to see he's pardoned the online drug dealer behind the dark web site Silk Road, since as we know the current fentanyl crisis is all China and Canada's fault.
I am kind of two sides to this. Life sentence for setting up Silk Road seems kind of an excess. But, a drug dealer who "traffics" is a large amount of drugs can easily get life in prison and I am guessing that the quantity of drugs that he helped to move was pretty high.
And, he allegedly tried to put a hit contract on 5 (or 6) people who either tried to shut down Silk Road or tried to take it over. I dont think he was prosecuted for that, as he was already in jail for life.
Another interesting rumour about him is that he most likely has hundreds(?) of bit coin hidden and will now access them. The government seized a lot of them when he was arrested, but there is talk that he has LOTS more hidden away.
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wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 19:32 last edited by
Yes I expect that he is fabulously wealthy.
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@Jolly said in Mr. Clemency:
At three-in-a-row, I start to question myself. Five?
That's mental illness territory.
He's just pissed because he has to go back to the office.
wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 20:04 last edited by@Mik said in Mr. Clemency:
@Jolly said in Mr. Clemency:
At three-in-a-row, I start to question myself. Five?
That's mental illness territory.
He's just pissed because he has to go back to the office.
Lol! I had to address the very accusation made to me last night on FB. Will just copy paste here......
yeah , that's it. I condem the man because I may have to return to the office 5 days a week. Oh the horror of it all! A 7 minute drive downtown Monday through Friday is way too much to ask of this lazy inept Federal worker. FYI, I go into the office every Friday for work as per the Union agreement made with my agency. I actually look forward to Fridays as I get out of the house and have a nice lunch downtown somewhere and ride my ebike there and back and enjoy the sunshine. Making all of us return to work in the office full time is a nothing burger for me. I've been doing it for 95 percent of my career. What you may not know in your glee to see federal employees getting slapped around, is the final bill that you and I taxpayers get to pay for rebuilding up the space required for this to happen as there is nowhere near the facility to hold all fed employees back to the "office". Many buildings have already been sold or contracts ended all throughout the USA. Are you ready for that price tag to reaquire the office space? It may even make Elon blink.
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@AndyD said in Mr. Clemency:
I have to admit that when I hire a plumber, I don't care that he is a braggart, a bore, vain, needy, unfaithful to his wife, downright dishonest and a convicted criminal, just so as long as he fixes the heating.
Trump is a flawed man but Americans have employed him to do a job.
That is a remarkably reasonable take, thanks for that.
wrote on 22 Jan 2025, 20:07 last edited by@Horace said in Mr. Clemency:
@AndyD said in Mr. Clemency:
I have to admit that when I hire a plumber, I don't care that he is a braggart, a bore, vain, needy, unfaithful to his wife, downright dishonest and a convicted criminal, just so as long as he fixes the heating.
Trump is a flawed man but Americans have employed him to do a job.
That is a remarkably reasonable take, thanks for that.
Except when those flaws include Treason. Sorry, you're fired!
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@89th said in Mr. Clemency:
I mean, Biden only did the last minute pardons because of Trump's threats. That part isn't even debatable.
Trump 2016, offered up tons of rhetoric about prosecuting 'Crooked Hillary' ("lock her up/You'd be in jail", etc)
As soon as he won---he dropped it. So, I guess if we go by Trumps own actions---this may well have just been a bunch of rhetoric. The people who have been printing things for Biden to scribble his name on are aware of this--so I would say quite debatable acksually.
Shame on him for giving Biden the political cover for his pre-emptive pardons though.
wrote on 24 Jan 2025, 17:51 last edited by jon-nyc@Rich said in Mr. Clemency:
Trump 2016, offered up tons of rhetoric about prosecuting 'Crooked Hillary' ("lock her up/You'd be in jail", etc)
As soon as he won---he dropped it. So, I guess if we go by Trumps own actions---this may well have just been a bunch of rhetoric. The people who have been printing things for Biden to scribble his name on are aware of this--so I would say quite debatable acksually.
The difference is in 2017 Trump was surrounded by people who were more loyal to the system and its norms that they were to him personally. This time he’s intentionally chosen the opposite.
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wrote on 24 Jan 2025, 17:53 last edited by
Yes, and we may die due to the asteroid hitting earth tomorrow.
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@Mik said in Mr. Clemency:
@Jolly said in Mr. Clemency:
At three-in-a-row, I start to question myself. Five?
That's mental illness territory.
He's just pissed because he has to go back to the office.
Lol! I had to address the very accusation made to me last night on FB. Will just copy paste here......
yeah , that's it. I condem the man because I may have to return to the office 5 days a week. Oh the horror of it all! A 7 minute drive downtown Monday through Friday is way too much to ask of this lazy inept Federal worker. FYI, I go into the office every Friday for work as per the Union agreement made with my agency. I actually look forward to Fridays as I get out of the house and have a nice lunch downtown somewhere and ride my ebike there and back and enjoy the sunshine. Making all of us return to work in the office full time is a nothing burger for me. I've been doing it for 95 percent of my career. What you may not know in your glee to see federal employees getting slapped around, is the final bill that you and I taxpayers get to pay for rebuilding up the space required for this to happen as there is nowhere near the facility to hold all fed employees back to the "office". Many buildings have already been sold or contracts ended all throughout the USA. Are you ready for that price tag to reaquire the office space? It may even make Elon blink.
wrote on 24 Jan 2025, 17:54 last edited by@NobodySock said in Mr. Clemency:
@Mik said in Mr. Clemency:
@Jolly said in Mr. Clemency:
At three-in-a-row, I start to question myself. Five?
That's mental illness territory.
He's just pissed because he has to go back to the office.
Lol! I had to address the very accusation made to me last night on FB. Will just copy paste here......
yeah , that's it. I condem the man because I may have to return to the office 5 days a week. Oh the horror of it all! A 7 minute drive downtown Monday through Friday is way too much to ask of this lazy inept Federal worker. FYI, I go into the office every Friday for work as per the Union agreement made with my agency. I actually look forward to Fridays as I get out of the house and have a nice lunch downtown somewhere and ride my ebike there and back and enjoy the sunshine. Making all of us return to work in the office full time is a nothing burger for me. I've been doing it for 95 percent of my career. What you may not know in your glee to see federal employees getting slapped around, is the final bill that you and I taxpayers get to pay for rebuilding up the space required for this to happen as there is nowhere near the facility to hold all fed employees back to the "office". Many buildings have already been sold or contracts ended all throughout the USA. Are you ready for that price tag to reaquire the office space? It may even make Elon blink.
See? I told y'all he's pissed about having to go back to the office.
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wrote on 24 Jan 2025, 17:56 last edited by
@Jolly said in Mr. Clemency:
Yes, and we may die due to the asteroid hitting earth tomorrow.
And Trump might be a fat con man tomorrow. But I’m not sure what that has to do with this thread.
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@Jolly said in Mr. Clemency:
@Rich said in Mr. Clemency:
@89th said in Mr. Clemency:
I mean, Biden only did the last minute pardons because of Trump's threats. That part isn't even debatable.
Trump 2016, offered up tons of rhetoric about prosecuting 'Crooked Hillary' ("lock her up/You'd be in jail", etc)
As soon as he won---he dropped it. So, I guess if we go by Trumps own actions---this may well have just been a bunch of rhetoric. The people who have been printing things for Biden to scribble his name on are aware of this--so I would say quite debatable acksually.
Shame on him for giving Biden the political cover for his pre-emptive pardons though.
Actually, go pull the tapes.
Madcow, CNN, several of the other folks at MSDNC (Madcow's network) were having hissy fits at the end of Trump's first term, because Trump inquired his staff about whether preemptive pardons were constitutional.
He did not pardon anybody preemptively.
What I'm saying is Trump (unnecessarily) gave Biden political cover for the pardons...even though Trumps past actions don't indicate a predilection towards 'lawfare'.
If Trump had kept his mouth shut--even in the post election time period--Bidens handlers may not have felt the justification to write up these pardons, and we'd have been able to get the investigations he claims to have wanted. Unless, in a sort of 4(or maybe 5 or 6)D chess move--he knew the investigations would fizzle out...So by by threatening prosecution, he tricked the Biden crime family into pardoning themselves--making them look guilty, which would achieve the best effort-to-victory ratio possible under the circumstances.
wrote on 24 Jan 2025, 17:57 last edited by Mik@Rich said in Mr. Clemency:
@Jolly said in Mr. Clemency:
@Rich said in Mr. Clemency:
@89th said in Mr. Clemency:
I mean, Biden only did the last minute pardons because of Trump's threats. That part isn't even debatable.
Trump 2016, offered up tons of rhetoric about prosecuting 'Crooked Hillary' ("lock her up/You'd be in jail", etc)
As soon as he won---he dropped it. So, I guess if we go by Trumps own actions---this may well have just been a bunch of rhetoric. The people who have been printing things for Biden to scribble his name on are aware of this--so I would say quite debatable acksually.
Shame on him for giving Biden the political cover for his pre-emptive pardons though.
Actually, go pull the tapes.
Madcow, CNN, several of the other folks at MSDNC (Madcow's network) were having hissy fits at the end of Trump's first term, because Trump inquired his staff about whether preemptive pardons were constitutional.
He did not pardon anybody preemptively.
What I'm saying is Trump (unnecessarily) gave Biden political cover for the pardons...even though Trumps past actions don't indicate a predilection towards 'lawfare'.
If Trump had kept his mouth shut--even in the post election time period--Bidens handlers may not have felt the justification to write up these pardons, and we'd have been able to get the investigations he claims to have wanted. Unless, in a sort of 4(or maybe 5 or 6)D chess move--he knew the investigations would fizzle out...So by by threatening prosecution, he tricked the Biden crime family into pardoning themselves--making them look guilty, which would achieve the best effort-to-victory ratio possible under the circumstances.
Exactly. Biden fell right into the trap that was set for him. Trump doesn't have to waste time going after a doddering old man because he already, for all intents and purposes, admitted their guilt. All of them.
Now Trump can claim to have risen above lawfare.
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wrote on 24 Jan 2025, 17:59 last edited by
I'm saying that we don't have a clue about what Trump is going to do about Biden, other than what he said in Hannity's interview.
Going by that, he's inclined not to do anything.
OTOH, he's not speaking for Congress.
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@Horace said in Mr. Clemency:
@AndyD said in Mr. Clemency:
I have to admit that when I hire a plumber, I don't care that he is a braggart, a bore, vain, needy, unfaithful to his wife, downright dishonest and a convicted criminal, just so as long as he fixes the heating.
Trump is a flawed man but Americans have employed him to do a job.
That is a remarkably reasonable take, thanks for that.
Except when those flaws include Treason. Sorry, you're fired!
wrote on 26 Jan 2025, 07:42 last edited by
And yet given a vote, a majority of Americans have effectively found him not guilty; and trusted him to be their boss.
Do you think a focussed legal trial would have produced a different result?
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wrote on 26 Jan 2025, 11:45 last edited by
No.
