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The "Doctor" will see you now.

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  • CopperC Offline
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    Copper
    wrote on last edited by Copper
    #8

    https://wholehealthchicago.com/about/jordan-neumann

    Jordan Neumann is a Board-Certified Family Nurse Practitioner who graduated with her Doctorate of Nursing Practice from Rush University this spring.

    I don't see any indication exactly which spring that is.

    Conditions Treated
    .Allergies and food sensitivities
    .Candida and parasite issues
    .Chronic lyme disease
    .Fibromyalgia
    .Chronic fatigue
    .Thyroid, adrenal and sex hormone issues
    .Weight management
    .Women’s health
    .Men’s health
    .Peptide therapy
    .Infusion and injection therapy
    .Immune support
    .Nutritional support

    Are those all "conditions"?

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    • RenaudaR Offline
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      Renauda
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      #9

      Fibromyalgia

      Is there even such a thing?

      Anyone I’ve ever met who said they “suffered” from it and maintained it was “chronic”’also hated their jobs and maximised any sickness and short and long term disability benefits they had. At the same time they all complained that their doctors couldn’t find anything physically wrong with them after exhaustive tests. Some MDs even told them it was all in their heads and sent them on their way.

      Elbows up!

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      • HoraceH Offline
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        Horace
        wrote on last edited by
        #10

        It's another way of saying chronic fatigue syndrome.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • RenaudaR Renauda

          Fibromyalgia

          Is there even such a thing?

          Anyone I’ve ever met who said they “suffered” from it and maintained it was “chronic”’also hated their jobs and maximised any sickness and short and long term disability benefits they had. At the same time they all complained that their doctors couldn’t find anything physically wrong with them after exhaustive tests. Some MDs even told them it was all in their heads and sent them on their way.

          George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #11

          @Renauda said in The "Doctor" will see you now.:

          Fibromyalgia

          Is there even such a thing?

          Anyone I’ve ever met who said they “suffered” from it and maintained it was “chronic”’also hated their jobs and maximised any sickness and short and long term disability benefits they had. At the same time they all complained that their doctors couldn’t find anything physically wrong with them after exhaustive tests. Some MDs even told them it was all in their heads and sent them on their way.

          We'd see at least one fibromyalgia sufferer come to the OR every two months.

          Common features:

          • Age - late 20s to mid 40s.
          • Gender - XX chromosome carriers (yeah, I said that)
          • Marital status - married
          • Suburban - almost never saw this when I worked downtown
          • Generally a "miserable-looking" person.

          I've seen some work that suggests that fibromyalgia has an organic cause - but these studies are sporadic and never verifiable.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG George K

            @Renauda said in The "Doctor" will see you now.:

            Fibromyalgia

            Is there even such a thing?

            Anyone I’ve ever met who said they “suffered” from it and maintained it was “chronic”’also hated their jobs and maximised any sickness and short and long term disability benefits they had. At the same time they all complained that their doctors couldn’t find anything physically wrong with them after exhaustive tests. Some MDs even told them it was all in their heads and sent them on their way.

            We'd see at least one fibromyalgia sufferer come to the OR every two months.

            Common features:

            • Age - late 20s to mid 40s.
            • Gender - XX chromosome carriers (yeah, I said that)
            • Marital status - married
            • Suburban - almost never saw this when I worked downtown
            • Generally a "miserable-looking" person.

            I've seen some work that suggests that fibromyalgia has an organic cause - but these studies are sporadic and never verifiable.

            CopperC Offline
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            Copper
            wrote on last edited by
            #12

            @George-K said in The "Doctor" will see you now.:

            Gender - XX chromosome carriers

            Fibromyalgia syndrome (FMS) is a chronic musculoskeletal disorder of unknown etiology that affects up to 5.0% of the world population. It has a high female predominance, between 80 and 96%. Due to the low number of diagnosed men, research work has focused mainly on women.

            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9859454/#:~:text=Fibromyalgia syndrome (FMS) is a,has focused mainly on women.

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
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              #13

              Screenshot 2024-04-11 at 8.27.02 AM.png

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • LuFins DadL Offline
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                LuFins Dad
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                #14

                How long is the FNP program and what kind of work happens during it? There might only be 6 days of classroom instruction but is there a mentorship program working with physicians in their current workplace?

                The Brad

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                • HoraceH Offline
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                  Horace
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                  #15

                  I’ve seen two NPs lately. I’m more concerned with their experience and general cognitive ability than their formal education. On average, NPs might be less than MDs in those areas, but any given NP might be good.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                    Aqua Letifer
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                    #16

                    My NP is a shitload better than all the doctors at the practice.

                    Please love yourself.

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #17

                      image.jpeg

                      I can't find the page that links this image, but here's a screenshot that I did find.

                      https://nursing.georgetown.edu/degree-programs/masters/fnp-online/

                      Screenshot 2024-04-11 at 9.36.10 AM.png

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        LuFins Dad
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                        #18

                        I think there’s a very important place for NPs. As our knowledge grows in so many fields of medicine, there’s been a greater need for specialization. As that continues to grow, so has the need to have more skilled service providers between the traditional nurse and specialist, but more and more autonomy and responsibility is being thrust upon these roles without subsequent education and training requirements.

                        The Brad

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                        • LuFins DadL Offline
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                          LuFins Dad
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                          #19

                          I also worry that while NPs get a lot of the technical training necessary for the roles, they receive less of the ethical and moral training that comes with the years of schooling.

                          The Brad

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                          • George KG George K

                            image.jpeg

                            I can't find the page that links this image, but here's a screenshot that I did find.

                            https://nursing.georgetown.edu/degree-programs/masters/fnp-online/

                            Screenshot 2024-04-11 at 9.36.10 AM.png

                            LuFins DadL Offline
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                            LuFins Dad
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #20

                            @George-K said in The "Doctor" will see you now.:

                            image.jpeg

                            I can't find the page that links this image, but here's a screenshot that I did find.

                            https://nursing.georgetown.edu/degree-programs/masters/fnp-online/

                            Screenshot 2024-04-11 at 9.36.10 AM.png

                            44 credits… to become a practicing physician requires 150 postgrad credits, no? 1 semester of medical ethics course. How does that compare with medical school?

                            The Brad

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                            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                              @George-K said in The "Doctor" will see you now.:

                              image.jpeg

                              I can't find the page that links this image, but here's a screenshot that I did find.

                              https://nursing.georgetown.edu/degree-programs/masters/fnp-online/

                              Screenshot 2024-04-11 at 9.36.10 AM.png

                              44 credits… to become a practicing physician requires 150 postgrad credits, no? 1 semester of medical ethics course. How does that compare with medical school?

                              George KG Offline
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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #21

                              @LuFins-Dad said in The "Doctor" will see you now.:

                              44 credits… to become a practicing physician requires 150 postgrad credits, no? 1 semester of medical ethics course. How does that compare with medical school?

                              No idea what it's like now.

                              But, I can tell you my curriculum from the dark ages.

                              Gross Anatomy: 3 quarters.
                              Neuro Anatomy: 1 quarter
                              Biochemistry: 2 quarter
                              Micro Anatomy (Histology): 2 quarters
                              Pharmacology: 2 quarters
                              Anatomy Lab (cadaver): 3 Quarters
                              Physiology: 3 Quarters
                              Psychology: 1 Quarter
                              Physical Diagnosis: 1 quarter

                              And then...you got to touch patients.

                              Physical Diagnosis on real people: 2 quarters.

                              And then you got to work in a hospital.

                              Internal Medicine: 1 quarter (12 weeks) - you 'shadow' an intern
                              Neurology: 6 weeks
                              Psychiatry: 6 weeks
                              Surgery: 12 weeks (1 week to anesthesiology)
                              OB/GYN: 6 weeks
                              Pets: 6 weeks.

                              Then, you go to do electives, and internal medicine as a senior was required.
                              I did 12 weeks of anesthesiology.

                              I may have missed something, but that's the gist of it.

                              I don't feel like wading through the current curriculum, but here it is:

                              https://www.feinberg.northwestern.edu/md-education/curriculum/phases/index.html

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • George KG Offline
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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #22

                                image.jpeg

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • MikM Away
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                                  Mik
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                                  #23

                                  I’ll be seeing an NP at 4. Three weeks for this cough and drainage. Ugh.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    #24

                                    Hopefully s/he has more than 500 hours of training.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • MikM Away
                                      MikM Away
                                      Mik
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #25

                                      Actually I think they just have me seeing a PA.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • George KG Offline
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                                        #26

                                        In the comments -

                                        • 750 is 15 hrs/week for 1 year.
                                        • 500 hours is 6 weeks of residency (probably more like 8 weeks, but still).

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                          My NP is a shitload better than all the doctors at the practice.

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                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in The "Doctor" will see you now.:

                                          My NP is a shitload better than all the doctors at the practice.

                                          Which is concerning since the doctors were proctologists.

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