Trump loses in NY
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wrote on 25 Mar 2024, 18:15 last edited by
It will. It's an indefensible amount and a much too short timeframe.
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wrote on 26 Mar 2024, 13:17 last edited by
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wrote on 26 Mar 2024, 14:40 last edited by
Ax... but it was a victimless crime.
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wrote on 26 Mar 2024, 16:09 last edited by
The size of the fine is a direct result of the fact that the political strategy he has chosen for his court proceedings - namely to treat them with utter contempt - happens to be a very bad legal strategy.
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wrote on 26 Mar 2024, 16:52 last edited by
A little remorse would've saved him a lot of coin.
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wrote on 26 Mar 2024, 17:05 last edited by
True, but do want to base the fair application of law on pique?
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wrote on 26 Mar 2024, 17:09 last edited by
@Jolly said in Trump loses in NY:
True, but do want to base the fair application of law on pique?
"You're an asshole, so we'll fine you more."
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wrote on 26 Mar 2024, 17:33 last edited by
@Jolly said in Trump loses in NY:
True, but do want to base the fair application of law on pique?
That's an argument for removing remorse as a consideration from the criminal justice system.
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@Jolly said in Trump loses in NY:
True, but do want to base the fair application of law on pique?
"You're an asshole, so we'll fine you more."
wrote on 26 Mar 2024, 17:52 last edited by@George-K said in Trump loses in NY:
@Jolly said in Trump loses in NY:
True, but do want to base the fair application of law on pique?
"You're an asshole, so we'll fine you more."
I believe judges do this all the time. Show an attitude in court during sentencing? Ok, I'll add a few months or years. Usually there are sentencing guidelines/maximums but the judge can take the defendant's actions into account if they want to reduce the sentence.
Sam here, I think the judge here applied the law fairly. Trump owes a certain amount of money based on his illegal gains, and now has to pay it back. Perhaps he would've had to pay less back if he acknowledged his crime, but like Jon said, he took a different strategy.
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wrote on 26 Mar 2024, 19:56 last edited by
Oh, bullshit.
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@George-K said in Trump loses in NY:
@Jolly said in Trump loses in NY:
True, but do want to base the fair application of law on pique?
"You're an asshole, so we'll fine you more."
I believe judges do this all the time. Show an attitude in court during sentencing? Ok, I'll add a few months or years. Usually there are sentencing guidelines/maximums but the judge can take the defendant's actions into account if they want to reduce the sentence.
Sam here, I think the judge here applied the law fairly. Trump owes a certain amount of money based on his illegal gains, and now has to pay it back. Perhaps he would've had to pay less back if he acknowledged his crime, but like Jon said, he took a different strategy.
wrote on 26 Mar 2024, 20:23 last edited by@89th said in Trump loses in NY:
I believe judges do this all the time.
TV show judges certainly do.
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wrote on 27 Mar 2024, 01:35 last edited by
The judge actually stated that he showed no remorse and it was clear he would repeat the crime if given the opportunity. Therefore he made the damages punitive.
This was Trumps decision. Clearly he was told what the legal implications of his political strategy would be and chose to proceed anyway.
Now he’s finding out.
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wrote on 27 Mar 2024, 01:59 last edited by
Yes, one should not be angry when one is targeted for political persecution.
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wrote on 27 Mar 2024, 02:54 last edited by
I suppose that’s true also, but in Trump’s case the lesson is you should be contrite when facing sentences for your crimes.
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wrote on 27 Mar 2024, 13:05 last edited by
We usually read 2 books with the kids before bed. Sometimes if the kids aren't listening or doing something wrong, we'll take away one book, and we mention that the 2nd book will also be taken away if their attitude doesn't change. Sometimes the kids decide to dig in deeper and do something that causes the 2nd book to be lost. Our oldest kid is 5.
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wrote on 2 Apr 2024, 00:57 last edited by