Trump loses in NY
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@LuFins-Dad , I agree with you. For a (in the judge's words) venial sin (how Catholic is that?), to impose a fine of almost half a billion dollars....
I think Andy McCarthy said that Trump has a reasonable shot at an 8th amendment appeal.
@George-K said in Trump loses in NY:
@LuFins-Dad , I agree with you. For a (in the judge's words) venial sin (how Catholic is that?),
I see what you did, there…
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@George-K said in Trump loses in NY:
@jon commented (or was it @kluurs?) that the statute that Trump was found in violation of states that the intent to deceive is the crime, not the deception itself, not the financial loss of anyone.
Criminal? Misdemeanor? Or Civil? Seems to me that the state really can’t bring Civil. So if it’s Felony or Misdemeanor, there should be an established penalty. Fined up to _____, Jail up to ______.
Beyond that, we are dealing with Value. What is the value of these properties? Let me ask you a question. Is the value of my house what Redfin says? The tax assessor? Or is the value of my house what you are willing to pay and what I’m willing to accept? Once the state is determining value, we’re all fucked. Trump said the value of the properties is _______. The banks agreed. End of story. Beyond that, Trump paid (surprisingly) these loans off. End of story. Now, we can say that Trump lied on the applications. Fine. There should be an established and simple proscribed penalty. And that penalty should be the same no matter the value discrepancy. The penalty for stealing a Bentley is the same as stealing a Honda Civic, no?
I can not stand Trump, but this decision is breathtaking in the implications.
@LuFins-Dad said in Trump loses in NY:
Beyond that, we are dealing with Value. What is the value of these properties? Let me ask you a question. Is the value of my house what Redfin says? The tax assessor? Or is the value of my house what you are willing to pay and what I’m willing to accept?
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Trump can't raise the cash:
Trump, the billionaire former president and putative 2024 Republican presidential nominee, has told a New York state appellate court that he is not able to post a bond fully securing the enormous judgment awarded against him in the recent civil fraud trial.
I love this law...
- To appeal, you have to post a bond in the amount of the judgment
- The judgment is half a billion dollars
- No one has that kind of cash!
- Sorry, Charlie.
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Trump's bond reduced from half a billion (or so) to about a sixth of billion:
For the sake of comparison, Madoff's bond was $10 million.
SBF's BAIL was about half of Trump's bond was.
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Trump's bond reduced from half a billion (or so) to about a sixth of billion:
For the sake of comparison, Madoff's bond was $10 million.
SBF's BAIL was about half of Trump's bond was.
@George-K said in Trump loses in NY:
Trump's bond reduced from half a billion (or so) to about a sixth of billion:
For the sake of comparison, Madoff's bond was $10 million.
SBF's BAIL was about half of Trump's bond was.
I assume a phone call or two was made.
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True, but do want to base the fair application of law on pique?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Jolly said in Trump loses in NY:
True, but do want to base the fair application of law on pique?
"You're an asshole, so we'll fine you more."
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
