Scrap the debates
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@Horace said in Scrap the debates:
This is a fun topic because stealthily it lets you know whether any given Biden supporter or Trump hater is secretly afraid of what Trump would do to Biden in those debates.
He would tell one grandious lie after another forcing his opponent to either ignore the lie or spend the whole debate debunking the lies. That man sucks the oxygen out of room when he opens his mouth.
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@Horace said in Scrap the debates:
This is a fun topic because stealthily it lets you know whether any given Biden supporter or Trump hater is secretly afraid of what Trump would do to Biden in those debates.
Meh. If anything people might be worried about what Biden could do to himself.
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@jon-nyc said in Scrap the debates:
@Horace said in Scrap the debates:
This is a fun topic because stealthily it lets you know whether any given Biden supporter or Trump hater is secretly afraid of what Trump would do to Biden in those debates.
Meh. If anything people might be worried about what Biden could do to himself.
Thank you for rephrasing that in a way that doesn't indicate that Trump is competent at anything. It's important to make sure we cleanse all conversation of such ideas.
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@jon-nyc said in Scrap the debates:
Trump can hold his own with Biden when it comes to producing unintelligible word salad. He’s probably better at it in fact.
Minus the brown outs. Biden’s first blackout is going to be very scary. He’s getting closer to Stockdale by the day.
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@Horace said in Scrap the debates:
Nothing to worry about in the debates then. It's a zero sum game after all. We're looking for relative suitability, not absolute.
Personally, I suspect Trump would come out better in the debates. And of course, you suspect that as well.
As I’ve said before, Trump doesn’t get penalized for his word salad like Biden does. He’s graded on a curve. None of his supporters need him to make sense.
It’s always something.
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@jon-nyc said in Scrap the debates:
Trump is a lot like AOC. They don’t need to make sense, they just need to emote in the resonant frequency of their respective tribes.
But unlike AOC, coronavirus aside, he produced results that defied expectations and actually were amazing. So tough to swallow I admit.
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You’re high.
Unemployment hit a local minimum before hitting a 90 year maximum.
Like with virtually every president before him, the stock market hit new highs. But then much of gains were given back.
The world is less stable than how he found it and our position in it less secure.
The internal stability of the nation is at either a 50- or 150- year low (it’s too early to tell which).
He’s not even tried to manage the pandemic, rather he manages news cycles within it. And he only does that when a Fox personality guilts him into it.
The country is in far worse shape than it was 4 years ago.
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As of January 2020, per the state of the union address, the USA was in its best shape EVAH. The pandemic is likely a finite issue, and I think people know that. BLM and associated protests are becoming blah, as expected.
Can people blame Trump for his handling of the pandemic? Sure. I blame him, to an extent.
But I think Trump will have enough stats to throw out to generally deflect the predictable jabs Biden will make. He will have more energy and better jabs than Biden will and Biden risks having forgetful or mumbling moments, plus his teeth might even fall out.
These debates are Trump’s to lose.
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@jon-nyc said in Scrap the debates:
You’re high.
Unemployment hit a local minimum before hitting a 90 year maximum.
Like with virtually every president before him, the stock market hit new highs. But then much of gains were given back.
The world is less stable than how he found it and our position in it less secure.
The internal stability of the nation is at either a 50- or 150- year low (it’s too early to tell which).
He’s not even tried to manage the pandemic, rather he manages news cycles within it. And he only does that when a Fox personality guilts him into it.
The country is in far worse shape than it was 4 years ago.
If you think we had Iran, Russia, China and North Korea were contained you are drinking your bath water. And Europe’s problems could not be helped by the US so I don’t know who’s standing we have lost ground in. Prove your case.
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I didn’t claim any particular nation was contained.
I said we’re worse off on almost every important metric, in the country and in the world.
Loki - do you believe the country is in a better spot today than 4 years ago?
Do you believe the world is? Serious questions, both.
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@jon-nyc said in Scrap the debates:
I didn’t claim any particular nation was contained.
I said we’re worse off on almost every important metric, in the country and in the world.
Loki - do you believe the country is in a better spot today than 4 years ago?
Do you believe the world is? Serious questions, both.
No and no. Resounding now, largely attributed to Covid. Trump’s success was as a strongman in a world dominated by strongmen. I don’t like how we got there pre-Covid but the opposition has been so bat shit crazy that I am truly flummoxed as to which is worse. My end game would be a take down of a Trump and the Zucker’s of the world, of which I call him out because he is merely representative of the problem.
