Scrap the debates
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@jon-nyc said in Scrap the debates:
Trump can hold his own with Biden when it comes to producing unintelligible word salad. He’s probably better at it in fact.
Minus the brown outs. Biden’s first blackout is going to be very scary. He’s getting closer to Stockdale by the day.
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@Horace said in Scrap the debates:
Nothing to worry about in the debates then. It's a zero sum game after all. We're looking for relative suitability, not absolute.
Personally, I suspect Trump would come out better in the debates. And of course, you suspect that as well.
As I’ve said before, Trump doesn’t get penalized for his word salad like Biden does. He’s graded on a curve. None of his supporters need him to make sense.
It’s always something.
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@jon-nyc said in Scrap the debates:
Trump is a lot like AOC. They don’t need to make sense, they just need to emote in the resonant frequency of their respective tribes.
But unlike AOC, coronavirus aside, he produced results that defied expectations and actually were amazing. So tough to swallow I admit.
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You’re high.
Unemployment hit a local minimum before hitting a 90 year maximum.
Like with virtually every president before him, the stock market hit new highs. But then much of gains were given back.
The world is less stable than how he found it and our position in it less secure.
The internal stability of the nation is at either a 50- or 150- year low (it’s too early to tell which).
He’s not even tried to manage the pandemic, rather he manages news cycles within it. And he only does that when a Fox personality guilts him into it.
The country is in far worse shape than it was 4 years ago.
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As of January 2020, per the state of the union address, the USA was in its best shape EVAH. The pandemic is likely a finite issue, and I think people know that. BLM and associated protests are becoming blah, as expected.
Can people blame Trump for his handling of the pandemic? Sure. I blame him, to an extent.
But I think Trump will have enough stats to throw out to generally deflect the predictable jabs Biden will make. He will have more energy and better jabs than Biden will and Biden risks having forgetful or mumbling moments, plus his teeth might even fall out.
These debates are Trump’s to lose.
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@jon-nyc said in Scrap the debates:
You’re high.
Unemployment hit a local minimum before hitting a 90 year maximum.
Like with virtually every president before him, the stock market hit new highs. But then much of gains were given back.
The world is less stable than how he found it and our position in it less secure.
The internal stability of the nation is at either a 50- or 150- year low (it’s too early to tell which).
He’s not even tried to manage the pandemic, rather he manages news cycles within it. And he only does that when a Fox personality guilts him into it.
The country is in far worse shape than it was 4 years ago.
If you think we had Iran, Russia, China and North Korea were contained you are drinking your bath water. And Europe’s problems could not be helped by the US so I don’t know who’s standing we have lost ground in. Prove your case.
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I didn’t claim any particular nation was contained.
I said we’re worse off on almost every important metric, in the country and in the world.
Loki - do you believe the country is in a better spot today than 4 years ago?
Do you believe the world is? Serious questions, both.
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@jon-nyc said in Scrap the debates:
I didn’t claim any particular nation was contained.
I said we’re worse off on almost every important metric, in the country and in the world.
Loki - do you believe the country is in a better spot today than 4 years ago?
Do you believe the world is? Serious questions, both.
No and no. Resounding now, largely attributed to Covid. Trump’s success was as a strongman in a world dominated by strongmen. I don’t like how we got there pre-Covid but the opposition has been so bat shit crazy that I am truly flummoxed as to which is worse. My end game would be a take down of a Trump and the Zucker’s of the world, of which I call him out because he is merely representative of the problem.
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I listened to Ezra Klein's show of a few days ago where he had a RINO on who hates Trump and wrote a book. I was honestly hoping to get insights. It was one of the most vacuous interviews I'd ever heard. The issue with TDS folk is that they are too consumed by their hatred to dispassionately judge ideas. The money quote in the interview was "more americans died in the last four months than in any other four month period. So how's Trump working out?". Zing! I guess that's the same sort of zinger as saying that unemployment hit a 90 year max.
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@89th said in Scrap the debates:
As of January 2020, per the state of the union address, the USA was in its best shape EVAH
The problem for President Trump is that his term did not end in January 2020.
If you are going to claim the successes, then you HAVE to claim the failures, right @Horace (just teasing you!!).
As President Truman say - "The buck stops here"
A president can't say - "Well, I did great for the first three years. Just dont bother looking at the last year!!!"
Personally, i do not blame President Trump for what has happened to the economy over the past 6 months. (But I also dont give him as much credit as he economically claims for the first three years 55555)
Unemployment
Nov 2016 = 4.7%
July 2020 = 10.2%SP 500
Nov 2016 = 2594
July 2020 = 3295GDP Growth
Annual during President Trump = (-2%)
2017 = 2.3%
2018 = 3.0%
2019 = 2.2%
2020 = -10%Debt
Nov 2016 = $19.9 trillion
July 2020 = $26.5 trillion
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@taiwan_girl said in Scrap the debates:
@89th said in Scrap the debates:
As of January 2020, per the state of the union address, the USA was in its best shape EVAH
The problem for President Trump is that his term did not end in January 2020.
If you are going to claim the successes, then you HAVE to claim the failures, right @Horace (just teasing you!!).
We are all free to judge by any criteria we see fit. I suspect you will find a strong correlation between those who do not like Trump and those who think he is obligated to accept blame for the effects of the pandemic.
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@taiwan_girl said in Scrap the debates:
GDP Growth
Annual during President Trump = (-2%)
2017 = 2.3%
2018 = 3.0%
2019 = 2.2%
2020 = -10%No, no, no. 2020 isn’t annualized. It was -32.9% in the 2nd quarter.
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@jon-nyc said in Scrap the debates:
@taiwan_girl said in Scrap the debates:
GDP Growth
Annual during President Trump = (-2%)
2017 = 2.3%
2018 = 3.0%
2019 = 2.2%
2020 = -10%No, no, no. 2020 isn’t annualized. It was -32.9% in the 2nd quarter.
We will see how long Biden keeps the US shut down after he is President. This is going to be fun to watch. But no one will care when I point out how much the narrative changed.
