Hamas attacks Israel
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wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 03:24 last edited by
The biggest intelligence failure in a half century happened on his watch. I understand letting him conduct the war, you don’t change horses mid-river. But I can’t imagine how they could tolerate him after that.
If he were a mensch he’d have already announced that he’s stepping down after the war. But he’s actually a felon who needs the post to stay out of prison.
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wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 06:58 last edited by bachophile
netanyahu will never admit responsibilty, not in his DNA. but the fury in the public is obvious to all. the government will fall the day the fighting stops. its almost like a greek tragedy. netanyahu's one goal in life was to go down in history in churchillian terms. (whom he worships). saviour of the west. in the end, his legacy will always be the one who sunk us into the abyss.
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wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 11:14 last edited by
I can understand the…what’s the word, anger?…over the intelligence failure and how this happened on Netanyahu’s watch. I also understand that he has some questionable legal liability going on (esp with regard to the Israeli courts).
He has been in office (this time) for 14 months. Supposedly this attack has been years in the making. Shouldn’t some of the blame be placed on this predecessor?
Of course, those who should have known that this was in the making will not suffer any consequences, probably.
And as to the current situation, what, if anything, should he do differently? No doubt he’s quite he hawk, but are the Israelis up for this? Do they support his policies wrt Gaza, etc?
I say all these things as someone who really doesn’t know much about Bibi other than what I read here and in the press. Not a fan, just trying to suss it all out.
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wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 11:18 last edited by
He was out of power 18 months out of the last 15 years. How could the lack of preparedness buck not stop with him? He also raised the price of hostages a hundred fold.
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wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 11:25 last edited by
Times mea culpa over hospital story.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/23/pageoneplus/editors-note-gaza-hospital-coverage.html
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He was out of power 18 months out of the last 15 years. How could the lack of preparedness buck not stop with him? He also raised the price of hostages a hundred fold.
wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 11:49 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
He was out of power 18 months out of the last 15 years. How could the lack of preparedness buck not stop with him?
I was unaware that his tenure was so long, only that he had been replaced by Bennett a couple of years ago.
He also raised the price of hostages a hundred fold.
Yes. How do the Israelis feel about that?
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wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 12:43 last edited by
Just a SWAG, but aren't the Israelis going to do with Hamas what they did with Hezbollah years ago? Namely, engage in a very intense urban combat war, rooting out as many terrorists as possible and damaging the organization so much, it will take years to rebuild?
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wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 13:32 last edited by
the idea that hamas should be "tolerated" in order to weaken the the palestinian authority was completely bibi's game plan. it was bibis govenements who authorized the transfer of billions in qatari cash to hamas, thinking it will buy off hamas and circumvent any need to deal with the PA. thats all bibis plan. for the past fifteen years. the bennet/lapid government stopped the cash payments, (they actually were delivered in suitcases at gaza/israel crossing points). there is no way bibi can recover from this. he made his whole career on claiming he knows best whats good for the country and everyone else is stupid.
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wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 16:06 last edited by
Thanks for the explanation, bach. It helps a lot of us I'm sure.
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wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 16:09 last edited by
Indeed. As I said, I’ve not followed Israeli politics very closely, other than to recently be aware of PM changes.
The insights about the PA etc are very helpful.
Thanks.
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wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 16:22 last edited by
I am curious the shape of the government that will replace him. I don’t imagine it will be the same shape as the opposition intended before the attack. The leader of the rightward side is going away, but I don’t know that that means the political culture shifted away from the spirit of Bibi. I’m not hearing that the intelligence failure was a failure of political philosophy.
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wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 17:27 last edited by
It's interesting hearing all the wailing of even non-religious Jews after this terrorist attack and subsequent abandonment by the Left.
I wonder what impact that will have politically, both inside and outside of Israel?
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wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 17:44 last edited by
The "hug a death cult" crowd has self-identified, and is in the crosshairs of some social retribution against their political opinions, for the first time in their lives. That will realign chunks of the younger mediocre masses who are really just interested in being socially acceptable, and have never thought or cared about politics or culture to begin with. Social retribution is anathema to them, and they will toe whatever line they are told to toe.
The older leftist mediocrities are more set in their ways, and have less to lose, and will happily die on whatever cross they think they're dying on.
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The "hug a death cult" crowd has self-identified, and is in the crosshairs of some social retribution against their political opinions, for the first time in their lives. That will realign chunks of the younger mediocre masses who are really just interested in being socially acceptable, and have never thought or cared about politics or culture to begin with. Social retribution is anathema to them, and they will toe whatever line they are told to toe.
The older leftist mediocrities are more set in their ways, and have less to lose, and will happily die on whatever cross they think they're dying on.
wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 19:34 last edited by Copper@Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:
they will toe whatever line they are told to toe.
We all know this is exactly how lefties form opinions.
But has anyone ever heard a lefty say this out loud?
I think this might be like the eligible voter who wasn't allowed to vote. Nobody has ever seen or heard one.
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@Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:
they will toe whatever line they are told to toe.
We all know this is exactly how lefties form opinions.
But has anyone ever heard a lefty say this out loud?
I think this might be like the eligible voter who wasn't allowed to vote. Nobody has ever seen or heard one.
wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 21:38 last edited by@Copper said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:
they will toe whatever line they are told to toe.
We all know this is exactly how lefties for opinions.
But has anyone ever heard a lefty say this out loud?
I think this might be like the eligible voter who wasn't allowed to vote. Nobody has ever seen or heard one.
Low self awareness correlates with being a lefty, so it stands to reason they're mostly unaware of their own programming.
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@Copper said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:
they will toe whatever line they are told to toe.
We all know this is exactly how lefties for opinions.
But has anyone ever heard a lefty say this out loud?
I think this might be like the eligible voter who wasn't allowed to vote. Nobody has ever seen or heard one.
Low self awareness correlates with being a lefty, so it stands to reason they're mostly unaware of their own programming.
wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 22:01 last edited by RenaudaLow self awareness correlates with being a lefty….
Not to derail the thread but…..
How does that factor in for the likes of Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz or even that Donald Trump character?
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Low self awareness correlates with being a lefty….
Not to derail the thread but…..
How does that factor in for the likes of Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz or even that Donald Trump character?
wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 22:17 last edited by@Renauda said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Low self awareness correlates with being a lefty….
Not to derail the thread but…..
How does that factor in for the likes of Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz and even that Donald Trump character?
People who get to the top might be more self aware than they let on. Trump is a conscious opportunist. Tucker has those texts where he admits to despising Trump. I don't know much about the others. But people who float to the top in politics are not great examples of the tendencies of the masses under them. They will all have enough awareness to navigate to their goal, even if part of that navigation is to convince everybody that what they say and do is what they really believe.
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wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 23:06 last edited by jon-nyc
Good thing the right isn’t subject to programming, otherwise some con men could talk them into supporting Russia and forgetting their decade-long, full-throated support of the Iraq war.
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wrote on 24 Oct 2023, 01:33 last edited by Mik
There wasn’t a single original thought in that whole piece. I don’t understand why he felt it necessary or desirable to release it. He’s not wrong, just late to the dance.
