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  • HoraceH Online
    HoraceH Online
    Horace
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    #572

    I am curious the shape of the government that will replace him. I don’t imagine it will be the same shape as the opposition intended before the attack. The leader of the rightward side is going away, but I don’t know that that means the political culture shifted away from the spirit of Bibi. I’m not hearing that the intelligence failure was a failure of political philosophy.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
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      #573

      It's interesting hearing all the wailing of even non-religious Jews after this terrorist attack and subsequent abandonment by the Left.

      I wonder what impact that will have politically, both inside and outside of Israel?

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • HoraceH Online
        HoraceH Online
        Horace
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        #574

        The "hug a death cult" crowd has self-identified, and is in the crosshairs of some social retribution against their political opinions, for the first time in their lives. That will realign chunks of the younger mediocre masses who are really just interested in being socially acceptable, and have never thought or cared about politics or culture to begin with. Social retribution is anathema to them, and they will toe whatever line they are told to toe.

        The older leftist mediocrities are more set in their ways, and have less to lose, and will happily die on whatever cross they think they're dying on.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • HoraceH Horace

          The "hug a death cult" crowd has self-identified, and is in the crosshairs of some social retribution against their political opinions, for the first time in their lives. That will realign chunks of the younger mediocre masses who are really just interested in being socially acceptable, and have never thought or cared about politics or culture to begin with. Social retribution is anathema to them, and they will toe whatever line they are told to toe.

          The older leftist mediocrities are more set in their ways, and have less to lose, and will happily die on whatever cross they think they're dying on.

          CopperC Offline
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          Copper
          wrote on last edited by Copper
          #575

          @Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:

          they will toe whatever line they are told to toe.

          We all know this is exactly how lefties form opinions.

          But has anyone ever heard a lefty say this out loud?

          I think this might be like the eligible voter who wasn't allowed to vote. Nobody has ever seen or heard one.

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          • CopperC Copper

            @Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:

            they will toe whatever line they are told to toe.

            We all know this is exactly how lefties form opinions.

            But has anyone ever heard a lefty say this out loud?

            I think this might be like the eligible voter who wasn't allowed to vote. Nobody has ever seen or heard one.

            HoraceH Online
            HoraceH Online
            Horace
            wrote on last edited by
            #576

            @Copper said in Hamas attacks Israel:

            @Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:

            they will toe whatever line they are told to toe.

            We all know this is exactly how lefties for opinions.

            But has anyone ever heard a lefty say this out loud?

            I think this might be like the eligible voter who wasn't allowed to vote. Nobody has ever seen or heard one.

            Low self awareness correlates with being a lefty, so it stands to reason they're mostly unaware of their own programming.

            Education is extremely important.

            RenaudaR 1 Reply Last reply
            • HoraceH Horace

              @Copper said in Hamas attacks Israel:

              @Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:

              they will toe whatever line they are told to toe.

              We all know this is exactly how lefties for opinions.

              But has anyone ever heard a lefty say this out loud?

              I think this might be like the eligible voter who wasn't allowed to vote. Nobody has ever seen or heard one.

              Low self awareness correlates with being a lefty, so it stands to reason they're mostly unaware of their own programming.

              RenaudaR Offline
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              Renauda
              wrote on last edited by Renauda
              #577

              @Horace

              Low self awareness correlates with being a lefty….

              Not to derail the thread but…..

              How does that factor in for the likes of Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz or even that Donald Trump character?

              Elbows up!

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              • RenaudaR Renauda

                @Horace

                Low self awareness correlates with being a lefty….

                Not to derail the thread but…..

                How does that factor in for the likes of Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz or even that Donald Trump character?

                HoraceH Online
                HoraceH Online
                Horace
                wrote on last edited by
                #578

                @Renauda said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                @Horace

                Low self awareness correlates with being a lefty….

                Not to derail the thread but…..

                How does that factor in for the likes of Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz and even that Donald Trump character?

                People who get to the top might be more self aware than they let on. Trump is a conscious opportunist. Tucker has those texts where he admits to despising Trump. I don't know much about the others. But people who float to the top in politics are not great examples of the tendencies of the masses under them. They will all have enough awareness to navigate to their goal, even if part of that navigation is to convince everybody that what they say and do is what they really believe.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • jon-nycJ Offline
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                  jon-nyc
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                  #579

                  Good thing the right isn’t subject to programming, otherwise some con men could talk them into supporting Russia and forgetting their decade-long, full-throated support of the Iraq war.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    #580

                    Obama speaks:

                    https://barackobama.medium.com/my-statement-on-israel-and-gaza-a6c397f09a30

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • MikM Offline
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                      Mik
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                      #581

                      There wasn’t a single original thought in that whole piece. I don’t understand why he felt it necessary or desirable to release it. He’s not wrong, just late to the dance.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        Good thing the right isn’t subject to programming, otherwise some con men could talk them into supporting Russia and forgetting their decade-long, full-throated support of the Iraq war.

                        JollyJ Offline
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                        Jolly
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                        #582

                        @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                        Good thing the right isn’t subject to programming, otherwise some con men could talk them into supporting Russia and forgetting their decade-long, full-throated support of the Iraq war.

                        You go with the information you have at the time. Back then, the Iraq War made sense. The only regret I have about that war is screwing over the Kurds, but I understand the realpolitick of why.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • MikM Mik

                          There wasn’t a single original thought in that whole piece. I don’t understand why he felt it necessary or desirable to release it. He’s not wrong, just late to the dance.

                          JollyJ Offline
                          JollyJ Offline
                          Jolly
                          wrote on last edited by
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                          @Mik said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                          There wasn’t a single original thought in that whole piece. I don’t understand why he felt it necessary or desirable to release it. He’s not wrong, just late to the dance.

                          He couldn't do it when he was President and he's still incapable of pinning the tail on the Muslim donkey.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                            Good thing the right isn’t subject to programming, otherwise some con men could talk them into supporting Russia and forgetting their decade-long, full-throated support of the Iraq war.

                            You go with the information you have at the time. Back then, the Iraq War made sense. The only regret I have about that war is screwing over the Kurds, but I understand the realpolitick of why.

                            jon-nycJ Offline
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                            jon-nyc
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                            #584

                            @Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                            @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                            Good thing the right isn’t subject to programming, otherwise some con men could talk them into supporting Russia and forgetting their decade-long, full-throated support of the Iraq war.

                            You go with the information you have at the time. Back then, the Iraq War made sense. The only regret I have about that war is screwing over the Kurds, but I understand the realpolitick of why.

                            The change in information was obvious in 2006. It was only a decade later that you changed your tune, and only after Trump gave you permission to do so without betraying your tribe.

                            I’m giving you a bit of credit with that last sentence. I assume part of you knew it was a strategic failure years before, but it took Trump giving you cover before you could say it out loud.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                            • JollyJ Offline
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                              Jolly
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #585

                              Trump. The man strides through your brain with seven-league boots.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • George KG Offline
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                                George K
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                                #586

                                British international law expert interviewed by BBC.

                                "There is no requirement, under international law, to provide humanitarian aid."

                                Once again, BBC approaches this from the plight of the Gazans.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  British international law expert interviewed by BBC.

                                  "There is no requirement, under international law, to provide humanitarian aid."

                                  Once again, BBC approaches this from the plight of the Gazans.

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                                  Doctor Phibes
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                                  #587

                                  @George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                  Once again, BBC approaches this from the plight of the Gazans.

                                  If you look at the BBC website there are plenty of articles about the horrors that have happened to the Israelis written from their perspective. Many of them are very difficult to read. I don't feel that the situation of the Gazans should be ignored or overlooked. Clearly Hamas were the aggressor, and are monsters, but the regular folk in Gaza are suffering because of this.

                                  I was only joking

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                                    George K
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                                    Screenshot 2023-10-24 at 7.21.15 AM.png

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • George KG Offline
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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #589

                                      "What I saw"

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • HoraceH Online
                                        HoraceH Online
                                        Horace
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                                        I think I've seen most of that just from stuff linked to here.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on last edited by Mik
                                          #591

                                          I'm not sure what more people need to see to know this has to not stop, but BE stopped. It isn't going to happen via ceasefires and negotiation.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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