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  • bachophileB Offline
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    bachophile
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    #557

    I think 300k Israelis displaced is high. I see on tv reports that 150k people have been moved from borders (north and south) to hotels (financed by the government).

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    • jon-nycJ Offline
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      #558

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        jon-nyc
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        #559

        Saw another tweet saying they’re going to evacuate a couple of additional towns in the north.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • JollyJ Offline
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          #560

          Prudent

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • AxtremusA Away
            AxtremusA Away
            Axtremus
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            #561

            The Atlantic article on Netanyahu:

            https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/benjamin-netanyahu-israel-hamas-attack-failure/675722/

            "The End of Netanyahu"

            The article lists Netanyahu's various missteps over the years, argues that Netanyahu should resign right after the war, and predicts that Netanyahu will not be elected into Israeli leadership again.

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            • jon-nycJ Offline
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              #562

              The biggest intelligence failure in a half century happened on his watch. I understand letting him conduct the war, you don’t change horses mid-river. But I can’t imagine how they could tolerate him after that.

              If he were a mensch he’d have already announced that he’s stepping down after the war. But he’s actually a felon who needs the post to stay out of prison.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • bachophileB Offline
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                bachophile
                wrote on last edited by bachophile
                #563

                netanyahu will never admit responsibilty, not in his DNA. but the fury in the public is obvious to all. the government will fall the day the fighting stops. its almost like a greek tragedy. netanyahu's one goal in life was to go down in history in churchillian terms. (whom he worships). saviour of the west. in the end, his legacy will always be the one who sunk us into the abyss.

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  #564

                  I can understand the…what’s the word, anger?…over the intelligence failure and how this happened on Netanyahu’s watch. I also understand that he has some questionable legal liability going on (esp with regard to the Israeli courts).

                  He has been in office (this time) for 14 months. Supposedly this attack has been years in the making. Shouldn’t some of the blame be placed on this predecessor?

                  Of course, those who should have known that this was in the making will not suffer any consequences, probably.

                  And as to the current situation, what, if anything, should he do differently? No doubt he’s quite he hawk, but are the Israelis up for this? Do they support his policies wrt Gaza, etc?

                  I say all these things as someone who really doesn’t know much about Bibi other than what I read here and in the press. Not a fan, just trying to suss it all out.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    #565

                    He was out of power 18 months out of the last 15 years. How could the lack of preparedness buck not stop with him? He also raised the price of hostages a hundred fold.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • jon-nycJ Offline
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                      Times mea culpa over hospital story.

                      https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/23/pageoneplus/editors-note-gaza-hospital-coverage.html

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        He was out of power 18 months out of the last 15 years. How could the lack of preparedness buck not stop with him? He also raised the price of hostages a hundred fold.

                        George KG Offline
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                        @jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                        He was out of power 18 months out of the last 15 years. How could the lack of preparedness buck not stop with him?

                        I was unaware that his tenure was so long, only that he had been replaced by Bennett a couple of years ago.

                        He also raised the price of hostages a hundred fold.

                        Yes. How do the Israelis feel about that?

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • JollyJ Offline
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                          Jolly
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                          #568

                          Just a SWAG, but aren't the Israelis going to do with Hamas what they did with Hezbollah years ago? Namely, engage in a very intense urban combat war, rooting out as many terrorists as possible and damaging the organization so much, it will take years to rebuild?

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • bachophileB Offline
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                            bachophile
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                            the idea that hamas should be "tolerated" in order to weaken the the palestinian authority was completely bibi's game plan. it was bibis govenements who authorized the transfer of billions in qatari cash to hamas, thinking it will buy off hamas and circumvent any need to deal with the PA. thats all bibis plan. for the past fifteen years. the bennet/lapid government stopped the cash payments, (they actually were delivered in suitcases at gaza/israel crossing points). there is no way bibi can recover from this. he made his whole career on claiming he knows best whats good for the country and everyone else is stupid.
                            latest polls put 80% of the populaton thinking its bibis fault.

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                              Rainman
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                              #570

                              Thanks for the explanation, bach. It helps a lot of us I'm sure.
                              Stay safe friend.

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                              • George KG Offline
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                                George K
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                                Indeed. As I said, I’ve not followed Israeli politics very closely, other than to recently be aware of PM changes.

                                The insights about the PA etc are very helpful.

                                Thanks.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • HoraceH Offline
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                                  Horace
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                                  I am curious the shape of the government that will replace him. I don’t imagine it will be the same shape as the opposition intended before the attack. The leader of the rightward side is going away, but I don’t know that that means the political culture shifted away from the spirit of Bibi. I’m not hearing that the intelligence failure was a failure of political philosophy.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                  • JollyJ Offline
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                                    Jolly
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                                    #573

                                    It's interesting hearing all the wailing of even non-religious Jews after this terrorist attack and subsequent abandonment by the Left.

                                    I wonder what impact that will have politically, both inside and outside of Israel?

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      Horace
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                                      #574

                                      The "hug a death cult" crowd has self-identified, and is in the crosshairs of some social retribution against their political opinions, for the first time in their lives. That will realign chunks of the younger mediocre masses who are really just interested in being socially acceptable, and have never thought or cared about politics or culture to begin with. Social retribution is anathema to them, and they will toe whatever line they are told to toe.

                                      The older leftist mediocrities are more set in their ways, and have less to lose, and will happily die on whatever cross they think they're dying on.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                      • HoraceH Horace

                                        The "hug a death cult" crowd has self-identified, and is in the crosshairs of some social retribution against their political opinions, for the first time in their lives. That will realign chunks of the younger mediocre masses who are really just interested in being socially acceptable, and have never thought or cared about politics or culture to begin with. Social retribution is anathema to them, and they will toe whatever line they are told to toe.

                                        The older leftist mediocrities are more set in their ways, and have less to lose, and will happily die on whatever cross they think they're dying on.

                                        CopperC Offline
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                                        Copper
                                        wrote on last edited by Copper
                                        #575

                                        @Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                        they will toe whatever line they are told to toe.

                                        We all know this is exactly how lefties form opinions.

                                        But has anyone ever heard a lefty say this out loud?

                                        I think this might be like the eligible voter who wasn't allowed to vote. Nobody has ever seen or heard one.

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                                        • CopperC Copper

                                          @Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                          they will toe whatever line they are told to toe.

                                          We all know this is exactly how lefties form opinions.

                                          But has anyone ever heard a lefty say this out loud?

                                          I think this might be like the eligible voter who wasn't allowed to vote. Nobody has ever seen or heard one.

                                          HoraceH Offline
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                                          Horace
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #576

                                          @Copper said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                          @Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:

                                          they will toe whatever line they are told to toe.

                                          We all know this is exactly how lefties for opinions.

                                          But has anyone ever heard a lefty say this out loud?

                                          I think this might be like the eligible voter who wasn't allowed to vote. Nobody has ever seen or heard one.

                                          Low self awareness correlates with being a lefty, so it stands to reason they're mostly unaware of their own programming.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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