Hamas attacks Israel
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wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 13:32 last edited by
the idea that hamas should be "tolerated" in order to weaken the the palestinian authority was completely bibi's game plan. it was bibis govenements who authorized the transfer of billions in qatari cash to hamas, thinking it will buy off hamas and circumvent any need to deal with the PA. thats all bibis plan. for the past fifteen years. the bennet/lapid government stopped the cash payments, (they actually were delivered in suitcases at gaza/israel crossing points). there is no way bibi can recover from this. he made his whole career on claiming he knows best whats good for the country and everyone else is stupid.
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wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 16:06 last edited by
Thanks for the explanation, bach. It helps a lot of us I'm sure.
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wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 16:09 last edited by
Indeed. As I said, I’ve not followed Israeli politics very closely, other than to recently be aware of PM changes.
The insights about the PA etc are very helpful.
Thanks.
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wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 16:22 last edited by
I am curious the shape of the government that will replace him. I don’t imagine it will be the same shape as the opposition intended before the attack. The leader of the rightward side is going away, but I don’t know that that means the political culture shifted away from the spirit of Bibi. I’m not hearing that the intelligence failure was a failure of political philosophy.
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wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 17:27 last edited by
It's interesting hearing all the wailing of even non-religious Jews after this terrorist attack and subsequent abandonment by the Left.
I wonder what impact that will have politically, both inside and outside of Israel?
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wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 17:44 last edited by
The "hug a death cult" crowd has self-identified, and is in the crosshairs of some social retribution against their political opinions, for the first time in their lives. That will realign chunks of the younger mediocre masses who are really just interested in being socially acceptable, and have never thought or cared about politics or culture to begin with. Social retribution is anathema to them, and they will toe whatever line they are told to toe.
The older leftist mediocrities are more set in their ways, and have less to lose, and will happily die on whatever cross they think they're dying on.
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The "hug a death cult" crowd has self-identified, and is in the crosshairs of some social retribution against their political opinions, for the first time in their lives. That will realign chunks of the younger mediocre masses who are really just interested in being socially acceptable, and have never thought or cared about politics or culture to begin with. Social retribution is anathema to them, and they will toe whatever line they are told to toe.
The older leftist mediocrities are more set in their ways, and have less to lose, and will happily die on whatever cross they think they're dying on.
wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 19:34 last edited by Copper@Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:
they will toe whatever line they are told to toe.
We all know this is exactly how lefties form opinions.
But has anyone ever heard a lefty say this out loud?
I think this might be like the eligible voter who wasn't allowed to vote. Nobody has ever seen or heard one.
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@Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:
they will toe whatever line they are told to toe.
We all know this is exactly how lefties form opinions.
But has anyone ever heard a lefty say this out loud?
I think this might be like the eligible voter who wasn't allowed to vote. Nobody has ever seen or heard one.
wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 21:38 last edited by@Copper said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:
they will toe whatever line they are told to toe.
We all know this is exactly how lefties for opinions.
But has anyone ever heard a lefty say this out loud?
I think this might be like the eligible voter who wasn't allowed to vote. Nobody has ever seen or heard one.
Low self awareness correlates with being a lefty, so it stands to reason they're mostly unaware of their own programming.
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@Copper said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:
they will toe whatever line they are told to toe.
We all know this is exactly how lefties for opinions.
But has anyone ever heard a lefty say this out loud?
I think this might be like the eligible voter who wasn't allowed to vote. Nobody has ever seen or heard one.
Low self awareness correlates with being a lefty, so it stands to reason they're mostly unaware of their own programming.
wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 22:01 last edited by RenaudaLow self awareness correlates with being a lefty….
Not to derail the thread but…..
How does that factor in for the likes of Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz or even that Donald Trump character?
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Low self awareness correlates with being a lefty….
Not to derail the thread but…..
How does that factor in for the likes of Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz or even that Donald Trump character?
wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 22:17 last edited by@Renauda said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Low self awareness correlates with being a lefty….
Not to derail the thread but…..
How does that factor in for the likes of Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz and even that Donald Trump character?
People who get to the top might be more self aware than they let on. Trump is a conscious opportunist. Tucker has those texts where he admits to despising Trump. I don't know much about the others. But people who float to the top in politics are not great examples of the tendencies of the masses under them. They will all have enough awareness to navigate to their goal, even if part of that navigation is to convince everybody that what they say and do is what they really believe.
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wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 23:06 last edited by jon-nyc
Good thing the right isn’t subject to programming, otherwise some con men could talk them into supporting Russia and forgetting their decade-long, full-throated support of the Iraq war.
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wrote on 24 Oct 2023, 01:33 last edited by Mik
There wasn’t a single original thought in that whole piece. I don’t understand why he felt it necessary or desirable to release it. He’s not wrong, just late to the dance.
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Good thing the right isn’t subject to programming, otherwise some con men could talk them into supporting Russia and forgetting their decade-long, full-throated support of the Iraq war.
wrote on 24 Oct 2023, 01:55 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Good thing the right isn’t subject to programming, otherwise some con men could talk them into supporting Russia and forgetting their decade-long, full-throated support of the Iraq war.
You go with the information you have at the time. Back then, the Iraq War made sense. The only regret I have about that war is screwing over the Kurds, but I understand the realpolitick of why.
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There wasn’t a single original thought in that whole piece. I don’t understand why he felt it necessary or desirable to release it. He’s not wrong, just late to the dance.
wrote on 24 Oct 2023, 01:57 last edited by@Mik said in Hamas attacks Israel:
There wasn’t a single original thought in that whole piece. I don’t understand why he felt it necessary or desirable to release it. He’s not wrong, just late to the dance.
He couldn't do it when he was President and he's still incapable of pinning the tail on the Muslim donkey.
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@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Good thing the right isn’t subject to programming, otherwise some con men could talk them into supporting Russia and forgetting their decade-long, full-throated support of the Iraq war.
You go with the information you have at the time. Back then, the Iraq War made sense. The only regret I have about that war is screwing over the Kurds, but I understand the realpolitick of why.
wrote on 24 Oct 2023, 02:10 last edited by jon-nyc@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Good thing the right isn’t subject to programming, otherwise some con men could talk them into supporting Russia and forgetting their decade-long, full-throated support of the Iraq war.
You go with the information you have at the time. Back then, the Iraq War made sense. The only regret I have about that war is screwing over the Kurds, but I understand the realpolitick of why.
The change in information was obvious in 2006. It was only a decade later that you changed your tune, and only after Trump gave you permission to do so without betraying your tribe.
I’m giving you a bit of credit with that last sentence. I assume part of you knew it was a strategic failure years before, but it took Trump giving you cover before you could say it out loud.
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wrote on 24 Oct 2023, 05:05 last edited by
Trump. The man strides through your brain with seven-league boots.
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wrote on 24 Oct 2023, 11:40 last edited by Doctor Phibes
@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Once again, BBC approaches this from the plight of the Gazans.
If you look at the BBC website there are plenty of articles about the horrors that have happened to the Israelis written from their perspective. Many of them are very difficult to read. I don't feel that the situation of the Gazans should be ignored or overlooked. Clearly Hamas were the aggressor, and are monsters, but the regular folk in Gaza are suffering because of this.
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wrote on 24 Oct 2023, 13:03 last edited by
