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  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

    @Copper said in American Response to the Pandemic:

    @taiwan_girl said in American Response to the Pandemic:

    @Catseye3 said in American Response to the Pandemic:

    important freedoms for all sometimes require slight adjustments by individuals. That’s not tyranny. That’s responsibility.

    This is where I think that the US has "failed". Failed is probably not the correct word, it is not quite that bad - maybe "not done as well as we could have".

    Sometimes the good of society has to come before what an individual thinks is best.

    What is the good of society is debatable.

    Agree, but in the case of virus, I don't think that anyone says that NOT wearing a mask will decrease the intensity of the virus.

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    Copper
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    @taiwan_girl said in American Response to the Pandemic:

    @Copper said in American Response to the Pandemic:

    @taiwan_girl said in American Response to the Pandemic:

    @Catseye3 said in American Response to the Pandemic:

    important freedoms for all sometimes require slight adjustments by individuals. That’s not tyranny. That’s responsibility.

    This is where I think that the US has "failed". Failed is probably not the correct word, it is not quite that bad - maybe "not done as well as we could have".

    Sometimes the good of society has to come before what an individual thinks is best.

    What is the good of society is debatable.

    Agree, but in the case of virus, I don't think that anyone says that NOT wearing a mask will decrease the intensity of the virus.

    It is required in Counties with zero total cases. It is impossible to decrease an intensity of zero.

    It is going to start fights, it already has.

    It will needlessly frighten a lot of people.

    Of course there are a lot of very good reasons to advocate the mask. But it is not without problems, real problems, not just stupid lunkhead people.

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    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

      @Jolly said in American Response to the Pandemic:

      Crawling in a hole and pulling the dirt back over your head is the absolute most effective means of dealing with the virus

      That and, y'know, wearing a mask in public. Which 'Murricans equate to being forced to lay down in a ditch.

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      Jolly
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      #17

      @Aqua-Letifer said in American Response to the Pandemic:

      @Jolly said in American Response to the Pandemic:

      Crawling in a hole and pulling the dirt back over your head is the absolute most effective means of dealing with the virus

      That and, y'know, wearing a mask in public. Which 'Murricans equate to being forced to lay down in a ditch.

      Some do. Thank God for it.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        Trump’s ‘plan’ is purely reactive and focused on minimizing blowback on him personally.

        It might simply be an unfortunate truth that societies with active Magat infections can’t fight viral ones.

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        @jon-nyc said in American Response to the Pandemic:

        Trump’s ‘plan’ is purely reactive and focused on minimizing blowback on him personally.

        It might simply be an unfortunate truth that societies with active Magat infections can’t fight viral ones.

        No one mentions that Fauci told us we had reason to believe Covid would die down in the summer. #becauseshutup

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        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

          @Copper said in American Response to the Pandemic:

          @taiwan_girl said in American Response to the Pandemic:

          @Catseye3 said in American Response to the Pandemic:

          important freedoms for all sometimes require slight adjustments by individuals. That’s not tyranny. That’s responsibility.

          This is where I think that the US has "failed". Failed is probably not the correct word, it is not quite that bad - maybe "not done as well as we could have".

          Sometimes the good of society has to come before what an individual thinks is best.

          What is the good of society is debatable.

          Agree, but in the case of virus, I don't think that anyone says that NOT wearing a mask will decrease the intensity of the virus.

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          Jolly
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          #19

          @taiwan_girl said in American Response to the Pandemic:

          @Copper said in American Response to the Pandemic:

          @taiwan_girl said in American Response to the Pandemic:

          @Catseye3 said in American Response to the Pandemic:

          important freedoms for all sometimes require slight adjustments by individuals. That’s not tyranny. That’s responsibility.

          This is where I think that the US has "failed". Failed is probably not the correct word, it is not quite that bad - maybe "not done as well as we could have".

          Sometimes the good of society has to come before what an individual thinks is best.

          What is the good of society is debatable.

          Agree, but in the case of virus, I don't think that anyone says that NOT wearing a mask will decrease the intensity of the virus.

          You're moving the goalposts from a generalization to a specific. And then, only 30% of a specific.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • CopperC Copper

            @taiwan_girl said in American Response to the Pandemic:

            @Copper said in American Response to the Pandemic:

            @taiwan_girl said in American Response to the Pandemic:

            @Catseye3 said in American Response to the Pandemic:

            important freedoms for all sometimes require slight adjustments by individuals. That’s not tyranny. That’s responsibility.

            This is where I think that the US has "failed". Failed is probably not the correct word, it is not quite that bad - maybe "not done as well as we could have".

            Sometimes the good of society has to come before what an individual thinks is best.

            What is the good of society is debatable.

            Agree, but in the case of virus, I don't think that anyone says that NOT wearing a mask will decrease the intensity of the virus.

            It is required in Counties with zero total cases. It is impossible to decrease an intensity of zero.

            It is going to start fights, it already has.

            It will needlessly frighten a lot of people.

            Of course there are a lot of very good reasons to advocate the mask. But it is not without problems, real problems, not just stupid lunkhead people.

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            Doctor Phibes
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            #20

            @Copper said in American Response to the Pandemic:

            @taiwan_girl said in American Response to the Pandemic:

            @Copper said in American Response to the Pandemic:

            @taiwan_girl said in American Response to the Pandemic:

            @Catseye3 said in American Response to the Pandemic:

            important freedoms for all sometimes require slight adjustments by individuals. That’s not tyranny. That’s responsibility.

            This is where I think that the US has "failed". Failed is probably not the correct word, it is not quite that bad - maybe "not done as well as we could have".

            Sometimes the good of society has to come before what an individual thinks is best.

            What is the good of society is debatable.

            Agree, but in the case of virus, I don't think that anyone says that NOT wearing a mask will decrease the intensity of the virus.

            It is required in Counties with zero total cases. It is impossible to decrease an intensity of zero.

            Zero total identified cases.

            I was only joking

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            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

              @Copper said in American Response to the Pandemic:

              @taiwan_girl said in American Response to the Pandemic:

              @Copper said in American Response to the Pandemic:

              @taiwan_girl said in American Response to the Pandemic:

              @Catseye3 said in American Response to the Pandemic:

              important freedoms for all sometimes require slight adjustments by individuals. That’s not tyranny. That’s responsibility.

              This is where I think that the US has "failed". Failed is probably not the correct word, it is not quite that bad - maybe "not done as well as we could have".

              Sometimes the good of society has to come before what an individual thinks is best.

              What is the good of society is debatable.

              Agree, but in the case of virus, I don't think that anyone says that NOT wearing a mask will decrease the intensity of the virus.

              It is required in Counties with zero total cases. It is impossible to decrease an intensity of zero.

              Zero total identified cases.

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              Jolly
              wrote on last edited by Jolly
              #21

              @Doctor-Phibes said in American Response to the Pandemic:

              @Copper said in American Response to the Pandemic:

              @taiwan_girl said in American Response to the Pandemic:

              @Copper said in American Response to the Pandemic:

              @taiwan_girl said in American Response to the Pandemic:

              @Catseye3 said in American Response to the Pandemic:

              important freedoms for all sometimes require slight adjustments by individuals. That’s not tyranny. That’s responsibility.

              This is where I think that the US has "failed". Failed is probably not the correct word, it is not quite that bad - maybe "not done as well as we could have".

              Sometimes the good of society has to come before what an individual thinks is best.

              What is the good of society is debatable.

              Agree, but in the case of virus, I don't think that anyone says that NOT wearing a mask will decrease the intensity of the virus.

              It is required in Counties with zero total cases. It is impossible to decrease an intensity of zero.

              Zero total identified cases.

              If they aren't identified, they don't exist. Falling tree in the forest, etc....

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                @Doctor-Phibes said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                @Copper said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                @taiwan_girl said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                @Copper said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                @taiwan_girl said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                @Catseye3 said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                important freedoms for all sometimes require slight adjustments by individuals. That’s not tyranny. That’s responsibility.

                This is where I think that the US has "failed". Failed is probably not the correct word, it is not quite that bad - maybe "not done as well as we could have".

                Sometimes the good of society has to come before what an individual thinks is best.

                What is the good of society is debatable.

                Agree, but in the case of virus, I don't think that anyone says that NOT wearing a mask will decrease the intensity of the virus.

                It is required in Counties with zero total cases. It is impossible to decrease an intensity of zero.

                Zero total identified cases.

                If they aren't identified, they don't exist. Falling tree in the forest, etc....

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                Doctor Phibes
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                #22

                @Jolly said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                @Doctor-Phibes said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                @Copper said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                @taiwan_girl said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                @Copper said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                @taiwan_girl said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                @Catseye3 said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                important freedoms for all sometimes require slight adjustments by individuals. That’s not tyranny. That’s responsibility.

                This is where I think that the US has "failed". Failed is probably not the correct word, it is not quite that bad - maybe "not done as well as we could have".

                Sometimes the good of society has to come before what an individual thinks is best.

                What is the good of society is debatable.

                Agree, but in the case of virus, I don't think that anyone says that NOT wearing a mask will decrease the intensity of the virus.

                It is required in Counties with zero total cases. It is impossible to decrease an intensity of zero.

                Zero total identified cases.

                If they identified, they don't exist. Falling tree in the forest, etc....

                You can catch Covid 19 off somebody who is asymptomatic, has had no reason to be tested, and hasn't been identified. That's one of the reasons it spread so quickly.

                There is no way to tell whether a county has zero infected people unless you test everybody.

                My town currently has had two confirmed cases in the last week. You think that's how many people caught it in the last week?

                I was only joking

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                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  @Jolly said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                  @Copper said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                  @taiwan_girl said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                  @Copper said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                  @taiwan_girl said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                  @Catseye3 said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                  important freedoms for all sometimes require slight adjustments by individuals. That’s not tyranny. That’s responsibility.

                  This is where I think that the US has "failed". Failed is probably not the correct word, it is not quite that bad - maybe "not done as well as we could have".

                  Sometimes the good of society has to come before what an individual thinks is best.

                  What is the good of society is debatable.

                  Agree, but in the case of virus, I don't think that anyone says that NOT wearing a mask will decrease the intensity of the virus.

                  It is required in Counties with zero total cases. It is impossible to decrease an intensity of zero.

                  Zero total identified cases.

                  If they identified, they don't exist. Falling tree in the forest, etc....

                  You can catch Covid 19 off somebody who is asymptomatic, has had no reason to be tested, and hasn't been identified. That's one of the reasons it spread so quickly.

                  There is no way to tell whether a county has zero infected people unless you test everybody.

                  My town currently has had two confirmed cases in the last week. You think that's how many people caught it in the last week?

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                  Copper
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                  #23

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                  There is no way to tell whether a county has zero infected people unless you test everybody.

                  Tell that to New Zealand

                  And what is the goal?

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                    Doctor Phibes
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                    #24

                    My goal is to take reasonable precautions against getting sick, and to keep working.

                    Pretty simple, really.

                    I was only joking

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                      Aqua Letifer
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                      flu

                      Please love yourself.

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                        #26

                        What is the goal? Make sure all the beans are counted and accounted then take a decision so that all the beans counted will be there to account for in future accounting. Seems like an accountable goal regardless of how unreasonable it is.

                        Not convinced there needs to be a goal other than not crater the health care system.

                        Elbows up!

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                          Dr. Fauci at the ball game

                          Apparently it is real

                          alt text

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                          • CopperC Copper

                            Dr. Fauci at the ball game

                            Apparently it is real

                            alt text

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                            @Copper said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                            Dr. Fauci at the ball game

                            Apparently it is real

                            Yeah. Presumably the woman to his left is his wife, so she should be totally safe in terms of risk.

                            He said the guy to his right was "a close friend."

                            OK, "close friend," tell us about your potential exposure...

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              I thought that we can't all be cooped up and need to get back to our lives? I thought staying at home was tyranny?

                              Please love yourself.

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                              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                I thought that we can't all be cooped up and need to get back to our lives? I thought staying at home was tyranny?

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                                @Aqua-Letifer said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                                I thought that we can't all be cooped up and need to get back to our lives? I thought staying at home was tyranny?

                                I thought Trump was an asshole for not wearing a mask?

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  No, no. His assholery predates Covid by decades.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  • George KG George K

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                                    I thought that we can't all be cooped up and need to get back to our lives? I thought staying at home was tyranny?

                                    I thought Trump was an asshole for not wearing a mask?

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                                    @George-K said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                                    I thought that we can't all be cooped up and need to get back to our lives? I thought staying at home was tyranny?

                                    I thought Trump was an asshole for not wearing a mask?

                                    He is. And it's weird that in that news story, Fauci seems to not practice what he preaches. That seems crappy. But I'm an advocate of masks in public. Those who aren't but still criticize Fauci sound like bigger hypocrites than Fauci does.

                                    Please love yourself.

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      No, no. His assholery predates Covid by decades.

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                                      @jon-nyc said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                                      No, no. His assholery predates Covid by decades.

                                      Well, on that point, you're right....

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • George KG George K

                                        @jon-nyc said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                                        No, no. His assholery predates Covid by decades.

                                        Well, on that point, you're right....

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                                        @George-K said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                                        @jon-nyc said in American Response to the Pandemic:

                                        No, no. His assholery predates Covid by decades.

                                        Well, on that point, you're right....

                                        Yeah, but crapping on him for every thing in the world gets old. And loses any effectiveness....Wolf! Wolf! Wolf!...Well, y'all get the drift...

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          Wolf, my ass. I crap on him all the time because he’s a walking toilet.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

                                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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