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Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023)

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  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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    taiwan_girl
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    #27

    How does this work for the Congress? Eliminate their pay during a shutdown and have no chance of reimbursement.

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    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

      How does this work for the Congress? Eliminate their pay during a shutdown and have no chance of reimbursement.

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      George K
      wrote on last edited by George K
      #28

      @taiwan_girl said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

      How does this work for the Congress? Eliminate their pay during a shutdown and have no chance of reimbursement.

      Works for me...

      Good luck getting that passed through <checks notes> Congress.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • AxtremusA Offline
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        #29

        There is a Constitutional roadblock to suspending the pay for Congress.

        The 27th Amendment:

        No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.

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        • AxtremusA Axtremus

          There is a Constitutional roadblock to suspending the pay for Congress.

          The 27th Amendment:

          No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.

          taiwan_girlT Offline
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          taiwan_girl
          wrote on last edited by
          #30

          @Axtremus Of course! 555

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            #31

            https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/28/politics/shutdown-latest-government-funding/index.html

            Congress on track for shutdown as GOP divisions on full display after late night votes

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            • taiwan_girlT Offline
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              #32

              For the 5 or so representatives, this is their peak I think. While possible, it is doubtful that the next election will result in the same Reb vs. Dem breakdown. If the Reb have a higher majority, it is possible that 6 votes will not be needed. If the Dem have the majority, then obviously, they will not be needed.

              And I think that the Reb leadership has a long memory.

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              • AxtremusA Offline
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                #33

                https://www.reuters.com/world/us/hardline-republican-holdouts-push-us-government-closer-shutdown-2023-09-29/

                Just for good measure, House Republicans reject their own funding bill one more time just before government shutdown.

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                • jon-nycJ Offline
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                  #34

                  McCarthy is trying to run the circus from the monkey cages.

                  Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    #35

                    This true?

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • AxtremusA Offline
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                      #36

                      https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2023/09/30/congress/stopgap-passes-00119280

                      the House on Saturday took an overwhelmingly bipartisan vote to avert a shutdown at midnight on Sunday — with the majority of Democrats bailing out the GOP.
                      …
                      McCarthy shocked his party — and most on the Hill — by deciding to put a "clean" bill on the floor that could be enough to doom his speakership. The short-term funding patch that passed includes none of the GOP’s spending cuts or border policies. The only addition: $16 billion for [flood] disaster aid sought by the White House.

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                      • George KG George K

                        This true?

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                        #37

                        @George-K said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                        This true?

                        I hope so. I’d rather bureaucrats sit on their hands for a while than Russia rebuild its empire.

                        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          @George-K said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                          This true?

                          I hope so. I’d rather bureaucrats sit on their hands for a while than Russia rebuild its empire.

                          AxtremusA Offline
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                          @jon-nyc said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                          @George-K said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                          This true?

                          I hope so. I’d rather bureaucrats sit on their hands for a while than Russia rebuild its empire.

                          The House passed spending bill has no money for Ukraine.

                          https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/09/30/ukraine-aid-government-shutdown/

                          The GOP's support for Russia, in this case to snuff out a democracy, is inexplicable.

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                          • AxtremusA Axtremus

                            @jon-nyc said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                            @George-K said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                            This true?

                            I hope so. I’d rather bureaucrats sit on their hands for a while than Russia rebuild its empire.

                            The House passed spending bill has no money for Ukraine.

                            https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/09/30/ukraine-aid-government-shutdown/

                            The GOP's support for Russia, in this case to snuff out a democracy, is inexplicable.

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                            @Axtremus said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                            @jon-nyc said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                            @George-K said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                            This true?

                            I hope so. I’d rather bureaucrats sit on their hands for a while than Russia rebuild its empire.

                            The House passed spending bill has no money for Ukraine.

                            https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/09/30/ukraine-aid-government-shutdown/

                            The GOP's support for Russia, in this case to snuff out a democracy, is inexplicable.

                            Sharper than a Mexican rowel, not.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              @Axtremus said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                              @jon-nyc said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                              @George-K said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                              This true?

                              I hope so. I’d rather bureaucrats sit on their hands for a while than Russia rebuild its empire.

                              The House passed spending bill has no money for Ukraine.

                              https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/09/30/ukraine-aid-government-shutdown/

                              The GOP's support for Russia, in this case to snuff out a democracy, is inexplicable.

                              Sharper than a Mexican rowel, not.

                              George KG Offline
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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #40

                              @Jolly said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                              rowel

                              Now there's a word I haven't heard in about 15 years.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                Axtremus
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                                #41

                                The vote count:
                                https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-congress-tees-up-votes-last-minute-scramble-avert-shutdown-2023-09-30/

                                Overall: 391 for, 91 against
                                Among those voted to pass the 45-day funding bill, 209 are Democrats, 126 are Republicans.

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                                • AxtremusA Offline
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                                  Axtremus
                                  wrote on last edited by Axtremus
                                  #42

                                  The Senate passed the bill, and Biden signed it:

                                  https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/30/politics/us-government-shutdown-latest/index.html

                                  Looks like there will be no government shutdown.

                                  Let's see if the House GOP will try to remove McCarthy from Speakership comes Monday. Anyone wants to start a pool on this? 🍿 🍿 🍿

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                                  • JollyJ Offline
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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #43

                                    Now, you can sleep peacefully, knowing once again the Republic is safe.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • AxtremusA Offline
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                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #44

                                      The Republic is indeed safer with an operating federal government than without. Let's see how Congress do with a separate Ukraine funding bill that's supposed to make up for its omission from the Sep.30 government funding bill. If that goes well and quickly, I will sleep even better knowing that the world is safer too.

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                                      • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                        The Senate passed the bill, and Biden signed it:

                                        https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/30/politics/us-government-shutdown-latest/index.html

                                        Looks like there will be no government shutdown.

                                        Let's see if the House GOP will try to remove McCarthy from Speakership comes Monday. Anyone wants to start a pool on this? 🍿 🍿 🍿

                                        AxtremusA Offline
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                                        Axtremus
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                                        #45

                                        @Axtremus said in Another “Government Shutdown” Fight Coming? (Sep. 2023):

                                        Let's see if the House GOP will try to remove McCarthy from Speakership comes Monday. Anyone wants to start a pool on this? 🍿 🍿 🍿

                                        Looks like the House GOP will indeed file a motion to vacate McCarthy:

                                        https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/oct/1/matt-gaetz-says-he-will-seek-to-oust-kevin-mccarth/

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                                          Axtremus
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                                          #46

                                          https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/15/politics/senate-vote-avert-shutdown/index.html

                                          The Nov. 17 shutdown has been averted. The can has been kicked down to Jan. 19.

                                          No aid funding for Ukraine or Israel in the meantime.

                                          The continuing drama:

                                          But the short-term funding plan sparked backlash from House conservatives who were upset that it did not include deep spending cuts that they have demanded. As a result, the bill required Democratic support to pass the House.
                                          .
                                          In the end, more House Democrats supported the measure than Republicans – a warning sign for [House Speaker] Johnson.

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