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  • George KG Offline
    George KG Offline
    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #97

    https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/25/stock-markets-today-live-updates.html

    Unexpectedly, of course.

    U.S. gross domestic product expanded 1.6% in the first quarter, the Bureau of Economic Analysis said. Economists polled by Dow Jones forecast GDP growth would come in at 2.4%.

    Along with the downbeat growth rate for the quarter, the report showed consumer prices increased at a 3.4% pace, well above the previous quarter’s 1.8% advance. This raised concern over persistent inflation and put into question whether the Federal Reserve will be able to cut rates anytime soon.

    “In the short term, the numbers don’t appear to be a green light for either bulls or bears, but if the initial reaction of stock index futures is any indication, the uncertainty is unlikely to ease pressures in a market experiencing its deepest pullback since last year,” said Chris Larkin, managing director of trading and investing at E*Trade from Morgan Stanley.

    Following the GDP print, traders moved down expectations for an easing of Federal Reserve monetary policy. Traders now forecast just one interest rate cut this year, according to the CME FedWatch Tool.

    The lackluster GDP added further pressure to an already-tense market contending with concerns over a pullback in growth among technology earnings.

    Meta plunged 15% in premarket trading after the social media giant issued light revenue guidance for the second quarter. That would be the stock’s biggest one-day decline since October 2022. International Business Machines also fell 8% after missing consensus estimates for first-quarter revenue.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • LuFins DadL Offline
      LuFins DadL Offline
      LuFins Dad
      wrote on last edited by
      #98

      Delayed rate cut? We might see another hike!

      The Brad

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      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

        Delayed rate cut? We might see another hike!

        JollyJ Offline
        JollyJ Offline
        Jolly
        wrote on last edited by
        #99

        @LuFins-Dad said in Bidenomics:

        Delayed rate cut? We might see another hike!

        Not until end of the year, after the election.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • AxtremusA Offline
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          Axtremus
          wrote on last edited by
          #100

          https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/05/business/retailers-cutting-prices/index.html

          CNN reports that consumers, even the high-income ones, are becoming more budget conscious. Retailers are marking down prices for items deemed "discretionary spending."

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          • AxtremusA Offline
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            Axtremus
            wrote on last edited by
            #101

            https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/05/17/markets/dow-closes-above-40-000

            The Dow Jones Industrial Average index closed above 40,000.

            George KG 1 Reply Last reply
            • AxtremusA Axtremus

              https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/05/17/markets/dow-closes-above-40-000

              The Dow Jones Industrial Average index closed above 40,000.

              George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #102

              @Axtremus said in Bidenomics:

              https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/05/17/markets/dow-closes-above-40-000

              The Dow Jones Industrial Average index closed above 40,000.

              Joe still has 8 months to catch the red man's gains.

              Screenshot 2024-05-18 at 7.56.27 AM.png

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

              taiwan_girlT 1 Reply Last reply
              • AxtremusA Offline
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                Axtremus
                wrote on last edited by
                #103

                Congressional Budget Office's new report:

                https://www.cbo.gov/publication/60166?mod=ANLink

                https://www.marketwatch.com/story/theres-more-good-news-on-inflation-americans-may-have-a-hard-time-believing-it-bea469da

                A new report from the Congressional Budget Office released this week shows that inflation may have had less of an impact on households’ bottom lines than months of sticker shock on everything from Big Macs to daycare might suggest.
                .
                The agency’s analysis took a look at a typical household’s 2019 “consumption bundle”:  the goods and services representing a year’s worth of purchases pre-pandemic. 
                .
                Then, researchers analyzed how much households would pay for that same consumption bundle in 2023 prices, and how much their income rose or fell over the same period. 
                .
                On average, purchasing power for households increased over that period, the agency found.
                .
                “By CBO’s estimate, aggregate income grew more than prices did between 2019 and 2023,” the report states.
                ...
                The portion of household income required to purchase the same bundle of goods and services decreased by 2% for the lowest-earning quintile of households, and by 6.3% for those in the top group.

                George KG 1 Reply Last reply
                • LuFins DadL Offline
                  LuFins DadL Offline
                  LuFins Dad
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #104

                  Snort… this ought to be good…

                  The Brad

                  George KG 1 Reply Last reply
                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                    Snort… this ought to be good…

                    George KG Offline
                    George KG Offline
                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #105

                    @LuFins-Dad said in Bidenomics:

                    Snort… this ought to be good…

                    I was gonna wait, but....

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                      Congressional Budget Office's new report:

                      https://www.cbo.gov/publication/60166?mod=ANLink

                      https://www.marketwatch.com/story/theres-more-good-news-on-inflation-americans-may-have-a-hard-time-believing-it-bea469da

                      A new report from the Congressional Budget Office released this week shows that inflation may have had less of an impact on households’ bottom lines than months of sticker shock on everything from Big Macs to daycare might suggest.
                      .
                      The agency’s analysis took a look at a typical household’s 2019 “consumption bundle”:  the goods and services representing a year’s worth of purchases pre-pandemic. 
                      .
                      Then, researchers analyzed how much households would pay for that same consumption bundle in 2023 prices, and how much their income rose or fell over the same period. 
                      .
                      On average, purchasing power for households increased over that period, the agency found.
                      .
                      “By CBO’s estimate, aggregate income grew more than prices did between 2019 and 2023,” the report states.
                      ...
                      The portion of household income required to purchase the same bundle of goods and services decreased by 2% for the lowest-earning quintile of households, and by 6.3% for those in the top group.

                      George KG Offline
                      George KG Offline
                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #106

                      @Axtremus said in Bidenomics:

                      The portion of household income required to purchase the same bundle of goods and services decreased by 2% for the lowest-earning quintile of households, and by 6.3% for those in the top group.

                      Family of four. Now, this is Doordash, so the prices might be higher than at the store, but...

                      Two Big Macs
                      Two Medium Fries
                      Two Happy Meals
                      Two Medium Cokes

                      Screenshot 2024-05-18 at 8.28.52 AM.png

                      $36.12

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • LuFins DadL Offline
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                        LuFins Dad
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #107

                        I’m going to have to dig through the CBO “package” of consumer goods.

                        The Brad

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                        • LuFins DadL Offline
                          LuFins DadL Offline
                          LuFins Dad
                          wrote on last edited by LuFins Dad
                          #108

                          Households in the top income quintile had the largest decline, on average, in the share of income required to pay for their 2019 consumption bundle over that four-year period.

                          So the rich got richer under Biden?

                          The Brad

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                          • LuFins DadL Offline
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                            LuFins Dad
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #109

                            Nowhere in the report does it detail what goods and services were in the packages. An iPhone 11 sold for $750 in 19, and are sold new for $225. It wouldn’t be hard for government agency to game these kind of numbers…

                            The Brad

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                            • LuFins DadL Offline
                              LuFins DadL Offline
                              LuFins Dad
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #110

                              Average Rent in 2019 was $1465. https://www.rentcafe.com/blog/rental-market/2019-mid-year-rent-report-national-average-rent-ends-first-half-year-1465/

                              Average rent today is $1716. That’s $3,000 per year. Weekly Real Earnings are up $7 to $365 over 2019’s $358. That’s $364 dollars per year increase.

                              The Brad

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                              • George KG George K

                                @Axtremus said in Bidenomics:

                                https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/05/17/markets/dow-closes-above-40-000

                                The Dow Jones Industrial Average index closed above 40,000.

                                Joe still has 8 months to catch the red man's gains.

                                Screenshot 2024-05-18 at 7.56.27 AM.png

                                taiwan_girlT Offline
                                taiwan_girlT Offline
                                taiwan_girl
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #111

                                @George-K said in Bidenomics:

                                Joe still has 8 months to catch the red man's gains.

                                But at the same moment in their President, President Biden has higher returns than President Trump. 😛

                                But it will be difficult to have increases like the last months of President Trump term.

                                George KG 1 Reply Last reply
                                • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                  @George-K said in Bidenomics:

                                  Joe still has 8 months to catch the red man's gains.

                                  But at the same moment in their President, President Biden has higher returns than President Trump. 😛

                                  But it will be difficult to have increases like the last months of President Trump term.

                                  George KG Offline
                                  George KG Offline
                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #112

                                  @taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics:

                                  the last months of President Trump term

                                  Which were mostly a recovery from the COVID dip.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    @taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics:

                                    the last months of President Trump term

                                    Which were mostly a recovery from the COVID dip.

                                    taiwan_girlT Offline
                                    taiwan_girlT Offline
                                    taiwan_girl
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #113

                                    @George-K said in Bidenomics:

                                    @taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics:

                                    the last months of President Trump term

                                    Which were mostly a recovery from the COVID dip.

                                    Agree. But both of them are behind Obama, (who maybe is behind Clinton, etc.). To me, it just reinforce my thought that the president gets too much credit/too much blame for the economy.

                                    George KG 1 Reply Last reply
                                    • George KG George K

                                      @taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics:

                                      the last months of President Trump term

                                      Which were mostly a recovery from the COVID dip.

                                      AxtremusA Offline
                                      AxtremusA Offline
                                      Axtremus
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #114

                                      @George-K said in Bidenomics:

                                      @taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics:

                                      the last months of President Trump term

                                      Which were mostly a recovery from the COVID dip.

                                      Or optimism buoyed by the expectation of the coming Biden Presidency! 😉

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                                      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                        @George-K said in Bidenomics:

                                        @taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics:

                                        the last months of President Trump term

                                        Which were mostly a recovery from the COVID dip.

                                        Agree. But both of them are behind Obama, (who maybe is behind Clinton, etc.). To me, it just reinforce my thought that the president gets too much credit/too much blame for the economy.

                                        George KG Offline
                                        George KG Offline
                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #115

                                        @taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics:

                                        to me, it just reinforce my thought that the president gets too much credit/too much blame for the economy.

                                        GN52MmOaQAA1F6f.jpeg

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                                        taiwan_girlT 1 Reply Last reply
                                        • George KG Offline
                                          George KG Offline
                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #116

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                                          LuFins DadL 1 Reply Last reply
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