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  • JollyJ Jolly

    @Aqua-Letifer said in Bidenomics:

    @LuFins-Dad said in Bidenomics:

    It seems to me that the market didn’t exactly take off with the recent wonderful jobs report…

    That's just the start. Wait another 2 years.

    For various reasons, I think you're right. Aside from the judges, particularly SCOTUS , wouldn't hurt my feelings tremendously if Trump lost this election.

    Which may be why the Dems seem to be leaving Biden in there.

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    Aqua Letifer
    wrote on last edited by
    #92

    @Jolly said in Bidenomics:

    @Aqua-Letifer said in Bidenomics:

    @LuFins-Dad said in Bidenomics:

    It seems to me that the market didn’t exactly take off with the recent wonderful jobs report…

    That's just the start. Wait another 2 years.

    For various reasons, I think you're right. Aside from the judges, particularly SCOTUS , wouldn't hurt my feelings tremendously if Trump lost this election.

    Which may be why the Dems seem to be leaving Biden in there.

    Yeah, I'd love to be wrong and hope I am. But I don't see any evidence for that yet.

    Please love yourself.

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    • LuFins DadL Offline
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      LuFins Dad
      wrote on last edited by
      #93

      So you guys are suggesting that kicking the can down the road for decades, then coupled with an unprecedented influx of cash into the M1, along with incredible inflation over the last few years, interest rates that are twice what they were 4 years ago, and a workforce that is not growing manufacturing jobs, but is increasing government and part-time employment at incredible rates could ultimately have a negative outcome?

      The Brad

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      • LuFins DadL Offline
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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on last edited by
        #94

        When does Social Security become insolvent?

        The Brad

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        • MikM Offline
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          Mik
          wrote on last edited by
          #95

          The economy is artificially pumped up and we will have to pay the piper. Plus, Biden lies a lot.

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/opinion-the-truth-comes-out-us-is-paying-dearly-for-outperformance/ar-AA1nfUN1?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=e652e5fdad8947b3a27d77ee0736d309&ei=52

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #96

            Jobless claims are stable.

            Really, really stable.

            Calling the state of the U.S. jobs market these days stable seems like an understatement considering the latest data coming out of the Labor Department.

            That’s because most of the past several weeks have shown that first-time claims for unemployment benefits haven’t fluctuated at all — as in zero.

            For five of the past six weeks, the level of initial jobless filings totaled exactly 212,000. Given a labor force that is 168 million strong, achieving such stasis seems at least unusual if not uncanny, yet that is what the figures released each Thursday morning since mid-March have shown.

            The consistency has raised a few eyebrows on Wall Street. The only week that varied was March 30, with 222,000.

            “How is this statistically possible? Five of the last six weeks, the exact same number,” market veteran Jim Bianco, head of Bianco Research, posted Thursday on X.

            “Initial claims for unemployment insurance are state programs, with 50 state rules, hundreds of offices, and 50 websites to file. Weather, seasonality, holidays, and economic vibrations drive the number of people filing claims from week to week,” he added. “Yet this measure is so stable that it does not vary by even 1,000 applications a week.”

            Why, it's almost as though...nah.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #97

              https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/25/stock-markets-today-live-updates.html

              Unexpectedly, of course.

              U.S. gross domestic product expanded 1.6% in the first quarter, the Bureau of Economic Analysis said. Economists polled by Dow Jones forecast GDP growth would come in at 2.4%.

              Along with the downbeat growth rate for the quarter, the report showed consumer prices increased at a 3.4% pace, well above the previous quarter’s 1.8% advance. This raised concern over persistent inflation and put into question whether the Federal Reserve will be able to cut rates anytime soon.

              “In the short term, the numbers don’t appear to be a green light for either bulls or bears, but if the initial reaction of stock index futures is any indication, the uncertainty is unlikely to ease pressures in a market experiencing its deepest pullback since last year,” said Chris Larkin, managing director of trading and investing at E*Trade from Morgan Stanley.

              Following the GDP print, traders moved down expectations for an easing of Federal Reserve monetary policy. Traders now forecast just one interest rate cut this year, according to the CME FedWatch Tool.

              The lackluster GDP added further pressure to an already-tense market contending with concerns over a pullback in growth among technology earnings.

              Meta plunged 15% in premarket trading after the social media giant issued light revenue guidance for the second quarter. That would be the stock’s biggest one-day decline since October 2022. International Business Machines also fell 8% after missing consensus estimates for first-quarter revenue.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • LuFins DadL Offline
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                LuFins Dad
                wrote on last edited by
                #98

                Delayed rate cut? We might see another hike!

                The Brad

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  Delayed rate cut? We might see another hike!

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #99

                  @LuFins-Dad said in Bidenomics:

                  Delayed rate cut? We might see another hike!

                  Not until end of the year, after the election.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    Axtremus
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                    #100

                    https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/05/business/retailers-cutting-prices/index.html

                    CNN reports that consumers, even the high-income ones, are becoming more budget conscious. Retailers are marking down prices for items deemed "discretionary spending."

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                    • AxtremusA Offline
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                      Axtremus
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                      #101

                      https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/05/17/markets/dow-closes-above-40-000

                      The Dow Jones Industrial Average index closed above 40,000.

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                      • AxtremusA Axtremus

                        https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/05/17/markets/dow-closes-above-40-000

                        The Dow Jones Industrial Average index closed above 40,000.

                        George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #102

                        @Axtremus said in Bidenomics:

                        https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/05/17/markets/dow-closes-above-40-000

                        The Dow Jones Industrial Average index closed above 40,000.

                        Joe still has 8 months to catch the red man's gains.

                        Screenshot 2024-05-18 at 7.56.27 AM.png

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          Axtremus
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #103

                          Congressional Budget Office's new report:

                          https://www.cbo.gov/publication/60166?mod=ANLink

                          https://www.marketwatch.com/story/theres-more-good-news-on-inflation-americans-may-have-a-hard-time-believing-it-bea469da

                          A new report from the Congressional Budget Office released this week shows that inflation may have had less of an impact on households’ bottom lines than months of sticker shock on everything from Big Macs to daycare might suggest.
                          .
                          The agency’s analysis took a look at a typical household’s 2019 “consumption bundle”:  the goods and services representing a year’s worth of purchases pre-pandemic. 
                          .
                          Then, researchers analyzed how much households would pay for that same consumption bundle in 2023 prices, and how much their income rose or fell over the same period. 
                          .
                          On average, purchasing power for households increased over that period, the agency found.
                          .
                          “By CBO’s estimate, aggregate income grew more than prices did between 2019 and 2023,” the report states.
                          ...
                          The portion of household income required to purchase the same bundle of goods and services decreased by 2% for the lowest-earning quintile of households, and by 6.3% for those in the top group.

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                          • LuFins DadL Offline
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                            LuFins Dad
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #104

                            Snort… this ought to be good…

                            The Brad

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                            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                              Snort… this ought to be good…

                              George KG Offline
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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #105

                              @LuFins-Dad said in Bidenomics:

                              Snort… this ought to be good…

                              I was gonna wait, but....

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                Congressional Budget Office's new report:

                                https://www.cbo.gov/publication/60166?mod=ANLink

                                https://www.marketwatch.com/story/theres-more-good-news-on-inflation-americans-may-have-a-hard-time-believing-it-bea469da

                                A new report from the Congressional Budget Office released this week shows that inflation may have had less of an impact on households’ bottom lines than months of sticker shock on everything from Big Macs to daycare might suggest.
                                .
                                The agency’s analysis took a look at a typical household’s 2019 “consumption bundle”:  the goods and services representing a year’s worth of purchases pre-pandemic. 
                                .
                                Then, researchers analyzed how much households would pay for that same consumption bundle in 2023 prices, and how much their income rose or fell over the same period. 
                                .
                                On average, purchasing power for households increased over that period, the agency found.
                                .
                                “By CBO’s estimate, aggregate income grew more than prices did between 2019 and 2023,” the report states.
                                ...
                                The portion of household income required to purchase the same bundle of goods and services decreased by 2% for the lowest-earning quintile of households, and by 6.3% for those in the top group.

                                George KG Offline
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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #106

                                @Axtremus said in Bidenomics:

                                The portion of household income required to purchase the same bundle of goods and services decreased by 2% for the lowest-earning quintile of households, and by 6.3% for those in the top group.

                                Family of four. Now, this is Doordash, so the prices might be higher than at the store, but...

                                Two Big Macs
                                Two Medium Fries
                                Two Happy Meals
                                Two Medium Cokes

                                Screenshot 2024-05-18 at 8.28.52 AM.png

                                $36.12

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • LuFins DadL Offline
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                                  LuFins Dad
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #107

                                  I’m going to have to dig through the CBO “package” of consumer goods.

                                  The Brad

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                                    LuFins Dad
                                    wrote on last edited by LuFins Dad
                                    #108

                                    Households in the top income quintile had the largest decline, on average, in the share of income required to pay for their 2019 consumption bundle over that four-year period.

                                    So the rich got richer under Biden?

                                    The Brad

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                                      LuFins Dad
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #109

                                      Nowhere in the report does it detail what goods and services were in the packages. An iPhone 11 sold for $750 in 19, and are sold new for $225. It wouldn’t be hard for government agency to game these kind of numbers…

                                      The Brad

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                                        LuFins Dad
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #110

                                        Average Rent in 2019 was $1465. https://www.rentcafe.com/blog/rental-market/2019-mid-year-rent-report-national-average-rent-ends-first-half-year-1465/

                                        Average rent today is $1716. That’s $3,000 per year. Weekly Real Earnings are up $7 to $365 over 2019’s $358. That’s $364 dollars per year increase.

                                        The Brad

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          @Axtremus said in Bidenomics:

                                          https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/05/17/markets/dow-closes-above-40-000

                                          The Dow Jones Industrial Average index closed above 40,000.

                                          Joe still has 8 months to catch the red man's gains.

                                          Screenshot 2024-05-18 at 7.56.27 AM.png

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                                          taiwan_girl
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #111

                                          @George-K said in Bidenomics:

                                          Joe still has 8 months to catch the red man's gains.

                                          But at the same moment in their President, President Biden has higher returns than President Trump. 😛

                                          But it will be difficult to have increases like the last months of President Trump term.

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