Disney is Floundering
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wrote on 20 Jun 2023, 21:07 last edited by
As for The Flash, it just continues the trend of DCEU films performing poorly in the box office in recent years. The Marvel movies have more hits than duds, the DC movies have more (a lot more) duds than hits.
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Elemental is very well done. Sure, many laws of physics are violated (same can be said for Super Mario Bros.), but it's a very good film with very good storytelling. In terms of storytelling and production finesse, Elemental is at least as good as (and I would say much better than) Super Mario Bros. The Elemental has more emotional depth for sure.
What the Elemental did not have going in was name recognition. Elemental is original, a brand new creation. Super Mario Bros. has decades of name recognition and fandom built up over multiple generations of audience before opening day.
No, it has nothing to do with gender, on or off the screen. More to do with name recognition.
Another big factor is streaming. If you're a Disney+ subscriber, you know for sure you will get to stream Elemental if you just wait a little bit. There is no comparable expectation for streaming Super Mario Bros.
wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 14:15 last edited by@Axtremus said in Disney is Floundering:
What the Elemental did not have going in was name recognition. Elemental is original, a brand new creation. Super Mario Bros. has decades of name recognition and fandom built up over multiple generations of audience before opening day.
No, it has nothing to do with gender, on or off the screen. More to do with name recognition.
Another big factor is streaming. If you're a Disney+ subscriber, you know for sure you will get to stream Elemental if you just wait a little bit. There is no comparable expectation for streaming Super Mario Bros.
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Name recognition? It’s frigging Disney/Pixar. That’s as much name recognition that you could want. Toy Story had no name recognition until it did. Same with Cars, Monsters Inc, The Incredibles, etc.. By 2010, new content was knocking it out of the park simply because it was Pixar. Then came The Wokening. Whether this movie contains a lot of The Wokening, that is the content that the consumer has come to associate with recent Pixar releases. 5 years ago this film would have opened up to +$100M because it was Pixar…
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Perhaps it doesn’t have much of The Woke in it, but there was a LOT made of Non-Binary character in Social Media a year ago or so, and cast members have continually talked about it. Disney caught on last fall that maybe marketing it wasn’t the best idea, but it was already out there.
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Super Mario Bros had a marketing spend of $80M. Estimates for Elemental were between $100-$120M.
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Streaming? Are you kidding? Most people know that Super Mario Bros would be streaming on Paramount+. That’s some weak sauce, right there…
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They should just fire every writer, producer, and director who has pronouns in his or her email signature. Problem will be solved in six months.
wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 14:18 last edited by@Jon said in Disney is Floundering:
They should just fire every writer, producer, and director who has pronouns in his or her email signature. Problem will be solved in six months.
Not a content creator but possibly a start..
https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/disneys-chief-diversity-officer-latondra-newton-exits-1235650198/
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wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 15:25 last edited by
DIE officer being shown the door is a good start...
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@Axtremus said in Disney is Floundering:
Elemental is very well done. Sure, many laws of physics are violated (same can be said for Super Mario Bros.), but it's a very good film with very good storytelling. In terms of storytelling and production finesse, Elemental is at least as good as (and I would say much better than) Super Mario Bros. The Elemental has more emotional depth for sure.
What the Elemental did not have going in was name recognition. Elemental is original, a brand new creation. Super Mario Bros. has decades of name recognition and fandom built up over multiple generations of audience before opening day.
No, it has nothing to do with gender, on or off the screen. More to do with name recognition.
Another big factor is streaming. If you're a Disney+ subscriber, you know for sure you will get to stream Elemental if you just wait a little bit. There is no comparable expectation for streaming Super Mario Bros.
How much do you know about Disney's process, Ax?
wrote on 22 Jun 2023, 15:04 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Disney is Floundering:
@Axtremus said in Disney is Floundering:
Elemental is very well done. Sure, many laws of physics are violated (same can be said for Super Mario Bros.), but it's a very good film with very good storytelling. In terms of storytelling and production finesse, Elemental is at least as good as (and I would say much better than) Super Mario Bros. The Elemental has more emotional depth for sure.
What the Elemental did not have going in was name recognition. Elemental is original, a brand new creation. Super Mario Bros. has decades of name recognition and fandom built up over multiple generations of audience before opening day.
No, it has nothing to do with gender, on or off the screen. More to do with name recognition.
Another big factor is streaming. If you're a Disney+ subscriber, you know for sure you will get to stream Elemental if you just wait a little bit. There is no comparable expectation for streaming Super Mario Bros.
How much do you know about Disney's process, Ax?
Bump for @Axtremus
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wrote on 27 Jun 2023, 00:27 last edited by
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wrote on 27 Jun 2023, 00:38 last edited by
Disney stock is now back to roughly it's 2014 value.
How far will this time machine go?
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wrote on 27 Jun 2023, 01:04 last edited by
I wonder if the character will be a mandalorian?
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wrote on 27 Jun 2023, 01:05 last edited by
Maybe it will have a light dilator…
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topic:timeago-later,9 days
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wrote on 6 Jul 2023, 12:29 last edited by
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Maybe it will have a light dilator…
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wrote on 6 Jul 2023, 14:11 last edited by Doctor Phibes 7 Jun 2023, 14:16
That looked pretty busy by the end of the day - I can't believe the low turnout at the beginning was caused by wokeness, it doesn't really make sense.
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wrote on 6 Jul 2023, 14:15 last edited by
Don't know what time of the day that was, but it's been over a 100 there recently.
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wrote on 6 Jul 2023, 14:17 last edited by
Maybe I'm not a typical visitor, but of all the great reasons I can think of for avoiding Disney, the transgender thing really isn't on the list.
Also, a shit-ton of flights were cancelled over the holidays. Mrs. Phibes was supposed to fly to the UK on 7/3 - she didn't leave until 7/5. They cancelled on us not once but twice.
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wrote on 6 Jul 2023, 14:19 last edited by
It makes more sense to believe that theme park attendance is affected by the weather than to believe that it is affected by wokeness.
Yeah, go work on reducing greenhouse gases and whatnot.
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wrote on 6 Jul 2023, 14:58 last edited by
People book Disney World many months, even years ahead.
It will take a while for the woke reaction to catch up.
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That looked pretty busy by the end of the day - I can't believe the low turnout at the beginning was caused by wokeness, it doesn't really make sense.
wrote on 6 Jul 2023, 16:22 last edited by LuFins Dad 7 Jun 2023, 16:24@Doctor-Phibes said in Disney is Floundering:
That looked pretty busy by the end of the day - I can't believe the low turnout at the beginning was caused by wokeness, it doesn't really make sense.
That wasn’t busy for the fireworks. Far from it. About an hour before the show, almost every single person in the park goes to the courtyard area and Main Street, USA to watch the fireworks, so it becomes highly concentrated and congested. This was nowhere near the congestion that I have seen on our trips.
Disney has admitted to the slowdown, themselves, and it was a part of the reason their stock was downgraded last week. The reasons can be debated (and there are likely multiple reasons) but the results can’t.
https://www.thestreet.com/travel/disney-world-had-a-slow-holiday-is-desantis-to-blame
As @Copper pointed out, Disney trips are planned months and years in advance, so it’s doubtful that the heatwave is really what is affecting them. Disney expected lower volume anyway due to the anniversary ending AND the post-COVID travel rush dying down. I also bet the economy is playing a huge part. Disney’s prices have skyrocketed while people’s real income has gone down. That’s going to have an effect.
But yeah, I think the woke thing is also playing a part. Not in a Budweiser boycott taking 25% of your sales away, but in a much more subtle fashion. People are tired of being preached at and Disney has been getting a little preachy on social matters. It used to be that Disney World was a place where you could go and forget everything else going on in the world for a few days. That’s not the case anymore. Crowds are getting surlier, service workers are getting surlier… It’s all adding up…
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Disney is Floundering:
That looked pretty busy by the end of the day - I can't believe the low turnout at the beginning was caused by wokeness, it doesn't really make sense.
That wasn’t busy for the fireworks. Far from it. About an hour before the show, almost every single person in the park goes to the courtyard area and Main Street, USA to watch the fireworks, so it becomes highly concentrated and congested. This was nowhere near the congestion that I have seen on our trips.
Disney has admitted to the slowdown, themselves, and it was a part of the reason their stock was downgraded last week. The reasons can be debated (and there are likely multiple reasons) but the results can’t.
https://www.thestreet.com/travel/disney-world-had-a-slow-holiday-is-desantis-to-blame
As @Copper pointed out, Disney trips are planned months and years in advance, so it’s doubtful that the heatwave is really what is affecting them. Disney expected lower volume anyway due to the anniversary ending AND the post-COVID travel rush dying down. I also bet the economy is playing a huge part. Disney’s prices have skyrocketed while people’s real income has gone down. That’s going to have an effect.
But yeah, I think the woke thing is also playing a part. Not in a Budweiser boycott taking 25% of your sales away, but in a much more subtle fashion. People are tired of being preached at and Disney has been getting a little preachy on social matters. It used to be that Disney World was a place where you could go and forget everything else going on in the world for a few days. That’s not the case anymore. Crowds are getting surlier, service workers are getting surlier… It’s all adding up…
wrote on 6 Jul 2023, 16:41 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Disney is Floundering:
Disney World was a place where you could go and forget everything else going on in the world for a few days.
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