Disney is Floundering
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Elemental is very well done. Sure, many laws of physics are violated (same can be said for Super Mario Bros.), but it's a very good film with very good storytelling. In terms of storytelling and production finesse, Elemental is at least as good as (and I would say much better than) Super Mario Bros. The Elemental has more emotional depth for sure.
What the Elemental did not have going in was name recognition. Elemental is original, a brand new creation. Super Mario Bros. has decades of name recognition and fandom built up over multiple generations of audience before opening day.
No, it has nothing to do with gender, on or off the screen. More to do with name recognition.
Another big factor is streaming. If you're a Disney+ subscriber, you know for sure you will get to stream Elemental if you just wait a little bit. There is no comparable expectation for streaming Super Mario Bros.
@Axtremus said in Disney is Floundering:
What the Elemental did not have going in was name recognition. Elemental is original, a brand new creation. Super Mario Bros. has decades of name recognition and fandom built up over multiple generations of audience before opening day.
No, it has nothing to do with gender, on or off the screen. More to do with name recognition.
Another big factor is streaming. If you're a Disney+ subscriber, you know for sure you will get to stream Elemental if you just wait a little bit. There is no comparable expectation for streaming Super Mario Bros.
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Name recognition? It’s frigging Disney/Pixar. That’s as much name recognition that you could want. Toy Story had no name recognition until it did. Same with Cars, Monsters Inc, The Incredibles, etc.. By 2010, new content was knocking it out of the park simply because it was Pixar. Then came The Wokening. Whether this movie contains a lot of The Wokening, that is the content that the consumer has come to associate with recent Pixar releases. 5 years ago this film would have opened up to +$100M because it was Pixar…
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Perhaps it doesn’t have much of The Woke in it, but there was a LOT made of Non-Binary character in Social Media a year ago or so, and cast members have continually talked about it. Disney caught on last fall that maybe marketing it wasn’t the best idea, but it was already out there.
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Super Mario Bros had a marketing spend of $80M. Estimates for Elemental were between $100-$120M.
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Streaming? Are you kidding? Most people know that Super Mario Bros would be streaming on Paramount+. That’s some weak sauce, right there…
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They should just fire every writer, producer, and director who has pronouns in his or her email signature. Problem will be solved in six months.
@Jon said in Disney is Floundering:
They should just fire every writer, producer, and director who has pronouns in his or her email signature. Problem will be solved in six months.
Not a content creator but possibly a start..
https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/disneys-chief-diversity-officer-latondra-newton-exits-1235650198/
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@Axtremus said in Disney is Floundering:
Elemental is very well done. Sure, many laws of physics are violated (same can be said for Super Mario Bros.), but it's a very good film with very good storytelling. In terms of storytelling and production finesse, Elemental is at least as good as (and I would say much better than) Super Mario Bros. The Elemental has more emotional depth for sure.
What the Elemental did not have going in was name recognition. Elemental is original, a brand new creation. Super Mario Bros. has decades of name recognition and fandom built up over multiple generations of audience before opening day.
No, it has nothing to do with gender, on or off the screen. More to do with name recognition.
Another big factor is streaming. If you're a Disney+ subscriber, you know for sure you will get to stream Elemental if you just wait a little bit. There is no comparable expectation for streaming Super Mario Bros.
How much do you know about Disney's process, Ax?
@Aqua-Letifer said in Disney is Floundering:
@Axtremus said in Disney is Floundering:
Elemental is very well done. Sure, many laws of physics are violated (same can be said for Super Mario Bros.), but it's a very good film with very good storytelling. In terms of storytelling and production finesse, Elemental is at least as good as (and I would say much better than) Super Mario Bros. The Elemental has more emotional depth for sure.
What the Elemental did not have going in was name recognition. Elemental is original, a brand new creation. Super Mario Bros. has decades of name recognition and fandom built up over multiple generations of audience before opening day.
No, it has nothing to do with gender, on or off the screen. More to do with name recognition.
Another big factor is streaming. If you're a Disney+ subscriber, you know for sure you will get to stream Elemental if you just wait a little bit. There is no comparable expectation for streaming Super Mario Bros.
How much do you know about Disney's process, Ax?
Bump for @Axtremus
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I wonder if the character will be a mandalorian?
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Maybe it will have a light dilator…
The Brad
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Maybe it will have a light dilator…
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That looked pretty busy by the end of the day - I can't believe the low turnout at the beginning was caused by wokeness, it doesn't really make sense.
I was only joking
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Maybe I'm not a typical visitor, but of all the great reasons I can think of for avoiding Disney, the transgender thing really isn't on the list.
Also, a shit-ton of flights were cancelled over the holidays. Mrs. Phibes was supposed to fly to the UK on 7/3 - she didn't leave until 7/5. They cancelled on us not once but twice.
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That looked pretty busy by the end of the day - I can't believe the low turnout at the beginning was caused by wokeness, it doesn't really make sense.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Disney is Floundering:
That looked pretty busy by the end of the day - I can't believe the low turnout at the beginning was caused by wokeness, it doesn't really make sense.
That wasn’t busy for the fireworks. Far from it. About an hour before the show, almost every single person in the park goes to the courtyard area and Main Street, USA to watch the fireworks, so it becomes highly concentrated and congested. This was nowhere near the congestion that I have seen on our trips.
Disney has admitted to the slowdown, themselves, and it was a part of the reason their stock was downgraded last week. The reasons can be debated (and there are likely multiple reasons) but the results can’t.
https://www.thestreet.com/travel/disney-world-had-a-slow-holiday-is-desantis-to-blame
As @Copper pointed out, Disney trips are planned months and years in advance, so it’s doubtful that the heatwave is really what is affecting them. Disney expected lower volume anyway due to the anniversary ending AND the post-COVID travel rush dying down. I also bet the economy is playing a huge part. Disney’s prices have skyrocketed while people’s real income has gone down. That’s going to have an effect.
But yeah, I think the woke thing is also playing a part. Not in a Budweiser boycott taking 25% of your sales away, but in a much more subtle fashion. People are tired of being preached at and Disney has been getting a little preachy on social matters. It used to be that Disney World was a place where you could go and forget everything else going on in the world for a few days. That’s not the case anymore. Crowds are getting surlier, service workers are getting surlier… It’s all adding up…
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Disney is Floundering:
That looked pretty busy by the end of the day - I can't believe the low turnout at the beginning was caused by wokeness, it doesn't really make sense.
That wasn’t busy for the fireworks. Far from it. About an hour before the show, almost every single person in the park goes to the courtyard area and Main Street, USA to watch the fireworks, so it becomes highly concentrated and congested. This was nowhere near the congestion that I have seen on our trips.
Disney has admitted to the slowdown, themselves, and it was a part of the reason their stock was downgraded last week. The reasons can be debated (and there are likely multiple reasons) but the results can’t.
https://www.thestreet.com/travel/disney-world-had-a-slow-holiday-is-desantis-to-blame
As @Copper pointed out, Disney trips are planned months and years in advance, so it’s doubtful that the heatwave is really what is affecting them. Disney expected lower volume anyway due to the anniversary ending AND the post-COVID travel rush dying down. I also bet the economy is playing a huge part. Disney’s prices have skyrocketed while people’s real income has gone down. That’s going to have an effect.
But yeah, I think the woke thing is also playing a part. Not in a Budweiser boycott taking 25% of your sales away, but in a much more subtle fashion. People are tired of being preached at and Disney has been getting a little preachy on social matters. It used to be that Disney World was a place where you could go and forget everything else going on in the world for a few days. That’s not the case anymore. Crowds are getting surlier, service workers are getting surlier… It’s all adding up…
@LuFins-Dad said in Disney is Floundering:
Disney World was a place where you could go and forget everything else going on in the world for a few days.
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