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    Horace
    wrote on 22 Apr 2022, 14:26 last edited by
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    Math is taught as a collection of short-hand tricks that the students don't understand as anything more than black boxes that happen to work for some strange reason. Learning how to do long-hand multiplication or division is not more educational of math than learning where the Calculator app is in the app store and learning how to push the right buttons.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • H Horace
      22 Apr 2022, 14:26

      Math is taught as a collection of short-hand tricks that the students don't understand as anything more than black boxes that happen to work for some strange reason. Learning how to do long-hand multiplication or division is not more educational of math than learning where the Calculator app is in the app store and learning how to push the right buttons.

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      Klaus
      wrote on 22 Apr 2022, 14:46 last edited by
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      @Horace said in Geek humor:

      Math is taught as a collection of short-hand tricks that the students don't understand as anything more than black boxes that happen to work for some strange reason. Learning how to do long-hand multiplication or division is not more educational of math than learning where the Calculator app is in the app store and learning how to push the right buttons.

      I don't think that's fair. What you really teach when you teach long-hand multiplication is how to execute an algorithm, which is a basic and important skill.

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      • H Horace
        22 Apr 2022, 14:26

        Math is taught as a collection of short-hand tricks that the students don't understand as anything more than black boxes that happen to work for some strange reason. Learning how to do long-hand multiplication or division is not more educational of math than learning where the Calculator app is in the app store and learning how to push the right buttons.

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        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on 22 Apr 2022, 16:20 last edited by Doctor Phibes
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        @Horace said in Geek humor:

        Math is taught as a collection of short-hand tricks that the students don't understand as anything more than black boxes that happen to work for some strange reason. Learning how to do long-hand multiplication or division is not more educational of math than learning where the Calculator app is in the app store and learning how to push the right buttons.

        That depends on how it's taught. I seem to think when I learned long multiplication, the teacher used it to explain how decimal numbers worked. Admittedly, that might have had no impact on the kids who were less interested, but I remember it making me think quite a bit about it.

        What I really disliked was having to memorise multiplication tables. That and the freaking Nicene Creed. They don't do that so much over here.

        I was only joking

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 22 Apr 2022, 16:45 last edited by
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          Horace - that was true in your day. Common core math and the Singapore method it’s based on really does a good job with creating deeper understanding. That’s why parents complain so much about it.

          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
          -Cormac McCarthy

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          • J jon-nyc
            22 Apr 2022, 16:45

            Horace - that was true in your day. Common core math and the Singapore method it’s based on really does a good job with creating deeper understanding. That’s why parents complain so much about it.

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            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on 22 Apr 2022, 17:18 last edited by
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            @jon-nyc said in Geek humor:

            That’s why parents complain so much about it.

            Lolz

            I was only joking

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              Horace
              wrote on 22 Apr 2022, 18:03 last edited by
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              The utility of the rote mechanics was that anybody could memorize them, and then everybody "knew math". I wonder if you run up against intellectual ability barriers in attempts to teach the ideas.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • H Horace
                22 Apr 2022, 18:03

                The utility of the rote mechanics was that anybody could memorize them, and then everybody "knew math". I wonder if you run up against intellectual ability barriers in attempts to teach the ideas.

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                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on 22 Apr 2022, 18:17 last edited by
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                @Horace said in Geek humor:

                The utility of the rote mechanics was that anybody could memorize them, and then everybody "knew math".

                I once taught a set-7 math class. Forget long-division, half of them could barely use a ruler.

                I was only joking

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                • H Horace
                  22 Apr 2022, 18:03

                  The utility of the rote mechanics was that anybody could memorize them, and then everybody "knew math". I wonder if you run up against intellectual ability barriers in attempts to teach the ideas.

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on 22 Apr 2022, 18:26 last edited by
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                  @Horace said in Geek humor:

                  The utility of the rote mechanics was that anybody could memorize them, and then everybody "knew math". I wonder if you run up against intellectual ability barriers in attempts to teach the ideas.

                  I think they very much do. They teach multiple methods to arrive at solutions really admiring the problem in many ways. My son has flourished with it, I’ve always thought it was a special kind of torture for the mathphobic.

                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                    Copper
                    wrote on 22 Apr 2022, 21:22 last edited by
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                    My rote learning of multiplication tables has served me well over the last 60 years.

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                      22 Apr 2022, 21:22

                      My rote learning of multiplication tables has served me well over the last 60 years.

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                      Doctor Phibes
                      wrote on 22 Apr 2022, 21:31 last edited by
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                      @Copper said in Geek humor:

                      My rote learning of multiplication tables has served me well over the last 60 years.

                      So has my memorization of the Nicene Creed.

                      I was only joking

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                        Copper
                        wrote on 22 Apr 2022, 21:57 last edited by
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                        And the Pater Noster

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                          Axtremus
                          wrote on 23 Apr 2022, 02:38 last edited by
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                          Re: “rote learning of multiplication tables”

                          It’s really just caching for some frequently used information. Some information is more frequently needed than others, so it’s worthwhile to commit them to memory for quick access rather than to recompute or re-lookup every time the information is needed.

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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on 27 Apr 2022, 17:41 last edited by
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                            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                            -Cormac McCarthy

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                              27 Apr 2022, 17:41

                              71BB7729-D37E-4790-BE52-DBCD67312BA9.jpeg

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                              Horace
                              wrote on 27 Apr 2022, 18:17 last edited by
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                              @jon-nyc said in Geek humor:

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                              Would be cool to live in a time when caricaturists were indistinguishable from portraitists.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on 9 May 2022, 15:19 last edited by
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                                Not one, but two Sisyphus jokes.

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                                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                -Cormac McCarthy

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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on 10 May 2022, 01:53 last edited by
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                                  I wanted to add a third but it was an uphill climb.

                                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                                  • J jon-nyc
                                    10 May 2022, 01:53

                                    I wanted to add a third but it was an uphill climb.

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                                    Aqua Letifer
                                    wrote on 10 May 2022, 04:10 last edited by
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                                    @jon-nyc said in Geek humor:

                                    I wanted to add a third but it was an uphill climb.

                                    Please. I can't bear the burden of another bad pun.

                                    Please love yourself.

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                                    • J jon-nyc
                                      10 May 2022, 01:53

                                      I wanted to add a third but it was an uphill climb.

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                                      LuFins Dad
                                      wrote on 10 May 2022, 05:18 last edited by
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                                      @jon-nyc said in Geek humor:

                                      I wanted to add a third but it was an uphill climb.

                                      You just need to be boulder,

                                      The Brad

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                                        Nunatax
                                        wrote on 10 May 2022, 08:14 last edited by
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                                        This thread is going downhill fast…

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                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote on 11 May 2022, 03:10 last edited by
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                                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                          -Cormac McCarthy

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