George Santos Charged
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@George-K said in George Santos Charged:
Should this be left up to the voters?
In a sane world he'd have resigned months ago.
In the British system when something like this happens they can remove the party whip from him, essentially kicking him out of the party. He would still be an MP, but without access to any party resources. He would continue to sit as an independent. Is there anything similar in the US?
wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 15:47 last edited byThe same here as well. He would be thrown out of caucus and forced to sit as an independent.
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wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 16:06 last edited by
That would be best scenario and one that is available for the caucus
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wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 16:07 last edited by
I think the only option is a voluntary declaration of being independent. I might be wrong.
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wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 16:13 last edited by Axtremus 12 Jan 2023, 16:14
Santos expelled:
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/12/01/nyregion/george-santos-expulsion-vote
311 to 114. A majority of House Republicans voted to expel Santos.
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wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 16:38 last edited by
Yeah, this is a little troubling. This could be abused very easily.
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wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 16:41 last edited by LuFins Dad 12 Jan 2023, 16:41
So Gaetz next?
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So Gaetz next?
wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 17:01 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in George Santos Charged:
So Gaetz next?
On what grounds, being an a-hole?
AFAIK the ethics charges against him are questionable and there are no indictments.
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wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 17:31 last edited by
I don’t have the issue you guys have. The ethics committee’s work counts as due process as far as I’m concerned.
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Republican-led push to expel George Santos fails in the House
The resolution needed a two-thirds majority to succeed, but fell well short. The final vote was 179 to 213 with 19 members voting present.
wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 17:58 last edited by@Axtremus said in George Santos Charged:
Republican-led push to expel George Santos fails in the House
The resolution needed a two-thirds majority to succeed, but fell well short. The final vote was 179 to 213 with 19 members voting present.
Good.
When convicted, they can toss him.
If reprehensible behavior is the key to expulsion, have I got a couple of hate-spewing antisemites for your consideration.
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@LuFins-Dad said in George Santos Charged:
So Gaetz next?
On what grounds, being an a-hole?
AFAIK the ethics charges against him are questionable and there are no indictments.
wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 18:28 last edited by@George-K said in George Santos Charged:
@LuFins-Dad said in George Santos Charged:
So Gaetz next?
On what grounds, being an a-hole?
AFAIK the ethics charges against him are questionable and there are no indictments.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution
Each House [of Congress] may determine the Rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member.
Nothing there about ethics committees, convictions, etc… Would you say Gaetz’s attacks on McConnell were disorderly? And do you think you could get enough votes?
How about Omar? Or Tlaib in the Senate? Think you could get 17 Dems in the Senate to vote for expulsion? There are currently 9 Jewish Democrat Senators… Add in Manchin, Sinema, Lurch… I bet you could find 17 members, especially since she’s attacking the sitting President with an upcoming election…
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wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 18:50 last edited by
Tlaib is in the House
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wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 19:15 last edited by
Brain fart.
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@George-K said in George Santos Charged:
@LuFins-Dad said in George Santos Charged:
So Gaetz next?
On what grounds, being an a-hole?
AFAIK the ethics charges against him are questionable and there are no indictments.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution
Each House [of Congress] may determine the Rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member.
Nothing there about ethics committees, convictions, etc… Would you say Gaetz’s attacks on McConnell were disorderly? And do you think you could get enough votes?
How about Omar? Or Tlaib in the Senate? Think you could get 17 Dems in the Senate to vote for expulsion? There are currently 9 Jewish Democrat Senators… Add in Manchin, Sinema, Lurch… I bet you could find 17 members, especially since she’s attacking the sitting President with an upcoming election…
wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 19:47 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in George Santos Charged:
Nothing there about ethics committees, convictions, etc… Would you say Gaetz’s attacks on McConnell were disorderly?
I realize that. IT's their house and they make the rules.
Gaetz? Disorderly? Of course.
Lurch hasn't been out of line that I've seen, other than his attire.
Tlaib...yeah.The majority controls the committees, and I have little doubt that they will, um, suggest to their members to follow the lines that leadership should be followed.
(too lazy to look it up)
Have there been similar findings by the ethics committee in the past where members have not been expelled?
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wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 19:49 last edited by
It seems like Santos went above and beyond what any of these other characters did.
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It seems like Santos went above and beyond what any of these other characters did.
wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 21:00 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in George Santos Charged:
It seems like Santos went above and beyond what any of these other characters did.
It doesn’t really matter. Now that the step has been taken, it will be easier the next. When have you seen our political leaders not take a new precedent and new authority and abuse it?
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@LuFins-Dad said in George Santos Charged:
Nothing there about ethics committees, convictions, etc… Would you say Gaetz’s attacks on McConnell were disorderly?
I realize that. IT's their house and they make the rules.
Gaetz? Disorderly? Of course.
Lurch hasn't been out of line that I've seen, other than his attire.
Tlaib...yeah.The majority controls the committees, and I have little doubt that they will, um, suggest to their members to follow the lines that leadership should be followed.
(too lazy to look it up)
Have there been similar findings by the ethics committee in the past where members have not been expelled?
wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 21:07 last edited by@George-K said in George Santos Charged:
@LuFins-Dad said in George Santos Charged:
Nothing there about ethics committees, convictions, etc… Would you say Gaetz’s attacks on McConnell were disorderly?
I realize that. IT's their house and they make the rules.
Gaetz? Disorderly? Of course.
Lurch hasn't been out of line that I've seen, other than his attire.
Tlaib...yeah.The majority controls the committees, and I have little doubt that they will, um, suggest to their members to follow the lines that leadership should be followed.
(too lazy to look it up)
Have there been similar findings by the ethics committee in the past where members have not been expelled?
I just meant that I could see Lurch voting for Tlaib to be removed, but as Jon pointed out, wrong group…
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wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 23:20 last edited by
Wow, having to give Lurch props again… https://nypost.com/2023/12/01/news/sen-bob-menendez-much-more-sinister-than-george-santos-sen-john-fetterman-says-he-needs-to-go/
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It seems like Santos went above and beyond what any of these other characters did.
wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 23:50 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in George Santos Charged:
It seems like Santos went above and beyond what any of these other characters did.
There have been only six members expelled from the House.
Three of those fought for the Confederacy.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Doctor-Phibes said in George Santos Charged:
It seems like Santos went above and beyond what any of these other characters did.
There have been only six members expelled from the House.
Three of those fought for the Confederacy.
wrote on 2 Dec 2023, 00:03 last edited by@Jolly said in George Santos Charged:
Three of those fought for the Confederacy.
I thought those guys had been erased from history.
