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  • LuFins DadL Offline
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    LuFins Dad
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    #56

    That would be best scenario and one that is available for the caucus

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #57

      I think the only option is a voluntary declaration of being independent. I might be wrong.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • AxtremusA Offline
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        #58

        Santos expelled:

        https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/12/01/nyregion/george-santos-expulsion-vote

        311 to 114. A majority of House Republicans voted to expel Santos.

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        • LuFins DadL Offline
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          LuFins Dad
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          #59

          Yeah, this is a little troubling. This could be abused very easily.

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          • LuFins DadL Offline
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            LuFins Dad
            wrote on last edited by LuFins Dad
            #60

            So Gaetz next?

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            • LuFins DadL Offline
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              LuFins Dad
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              #61
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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                So Gaetz next?

                George KG Offline
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                #62

                @LuFins-Dad said in George Santos Charged:

                So Gaetz next?

                On what grounds, being an a-hole?

                AFAIK the ethics charges against him are questionable and there are no indictments.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • jon-nycJ Offline
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                  #63

                  I don’t have the issue you guys have. The ethics committee’s work counts as due process as far as I’m concerned.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ny-republicans-force-vote-push-expel-george-santos/story?id=104539525

                    Republican-led push to expel George Santos fails in the House

                    The resolution needed a two-thirds majority to succeed, but fell well short. The final vote was 179 to 213 with 19 members voting present.

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                    @Axtremus said in George Santos Charged:

                    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ny-republicans-force-vote-push-expel-george-santos/story?id=104539525

                    Republican-led push to expel George Santos fails in the House

                    The resolution needed a two-thirds majority to succeed, but fell well short. The final vote was 179 to 213 with 19 members voting present.

                    Good.

                    When convicted, they can toss him.

                    If reprehensible behavior is the key to expulsion, have I got a couple of hate-spewing antisemites for your consideration.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • George KG George K

                      @LuFins-Dad said in George Santos Charged:

                      So Gaetz next?

                      On what grounds, being an a-hole?

                      AFAIK the ethics charges against him are questionable and there are no indictments.

                      LuFins DadL Offline
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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #65

                      @George-K said in George Santos Charged:

                      @LuFins-Dad said in George Santos Charged:

                      So Gaetz next?

                      On what grounds, being an a-hole?

                      AFAIK the ethics charges against him are questionable and there are no indictments.

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution

                      Each House [of Congress] may determine the Rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member.

                      Nothing there about ethics committees, convictions, etc… Would you say Gaetz’s attacks on McConnell were disorderly? And do you think you could get enough votes?

                      How about Omar? Or Tlaib in the Senate? Think you could get 17 Dems in the Senate to vote for expulsion? There are currently 9 Jewish Democrat Senators… Add in Manchin, Sinema, Lurch… I bet you could find 17 members, especially since she’s attacking the sitting President with an upcoming election…

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                      • jon-nycJ Offline
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                        #66

                        Tlaib is in the House

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        • LuFins DadL Offline
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                          LuFins Dad
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                          #67

                          Brain fart.

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                          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                            @George-K said in George Santos Charged:

                            @LuFins-Dad said in George Santos Charged:

                            So Gaetz next?

                            On what grounds, being an a-hole?

                            AFAIK the ethics charges against him are questionable and there are no indictments.

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution

                            Each House [of Congress] may determine the Rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member.

                            Nothing there about ethics committees, convictions, etc… Would you say Gaetz’s attacks on McConnell were disorderly? And do you think you could get enough votes?

                            How about Omar? Or Tlaib in the Senate? Think you could get 17 Dems in the Senate to vote for expulsion? There are currently 9 Jewish Democrat Senators… Add in Manchin, Sinema, Lurch… I bet you could find 17 members, especially since she’s attacking the sitting President with an upcoming election…

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                            @LuFins-Dad said in George Santos Charged:

                            Nothing there about ethics committees, convictions, etc… Would you say Gaetz’s attacks on McConnell were disorderly?

                            I realize that. IT's their house and they make the rules.

                            Gaetz? Disorderly? Of course.
                            Lurch hasn't been out of line that I've seen, other than his attire.
                            Tlaib...yeah.

                            The majority controls the committees, and I have little doubt that they will, um, suggest to their members to follow the lines that leadership should be followed.

                            (too lazy to look it up)

                            Have there been similar findings by the ethics committee in the past where members have not been expelled?

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                              #69

                              It seems like Santos went above and beyond what any of these other characters did.

                              I was only joking

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                              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                It seems like Santos went above and beyond what any of these other characters did.

                                LuFins DadL Offline
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                                LuFins Dad
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #70

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in George Santos Charged:

                                It seems like Santos went above and beyond what any of these other characters did.

                                It doesn’t really matter. Now that the step has been taken, it will be easier the next. When have you seen our political leaders not take a new precedent and new authority and abuse it?

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                                • George KG George K

                                  @LuFins-Dad said in George Santos Charged:

                                  Nothing there about ethics committees, convictions, etc… Would you say Gaetz’s attacks on McConnell were disorderly?

                                  I realize that. IT's their house and they make the rules.

                                  Gaetz? Disorderly? Of course.
                                  Lurch hasn't been out of line that I've seen, other than his attire.
                                  Tlaib...yeah.

                                  The majority controls the committees, and I have little doubt that they will, um, suggest to their members to follow the lines that leadership should be followed.

                                  (too lazy to look it up)

                                  Have there been similar findings by the ethics committee in the past where members have not been expelled?

                                  LuFins DadL Offline
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                                  LuFins Dad
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #71

                                  @George-K said in George Santos Charged:

                                  @LuFins-Dad said in George Santos Charged:

                                  Nothing there about ethics committees, convictions, etc… Would you say Gaetz’s attacks on McConnell were disorderly?

                                  I realize that. IT's their house and they make the rules.

                                  Gaetz? Disorderly? Of course.
                                  Lurch hasn't been out of line that I've seen, other than his attire.
                                  Tlaib...yeah.

                                  The majority controls the committees, and I have little doubt that they will, um, suggest to their members to follow the lines that leadership should be followed.

                                  (too lazy to look it up)

                                  Have there been similar findings by the ethics committee in the past where members have not been expelled?

                                  I just meant that I could see Lurch voting for Tlaib to be removed, but as Jon pointed out, wrong group…

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                                  • LuFins DadL Offline
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                                    LuFins Dad
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #72

                                    Wow, having to give Lurch props again… https://nypost.com/2023/12/01/news/sen-bob-menendez-much-more-sinister-than-george-santos-sen-john-fetterman-says-he-needs-to-go/

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                                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                      It seems like Santos went above and beyond what any of these other characters did.

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                                      Jolly
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                                      #73

                                      @Doctor-Phibes said in George Santos Charged:

                                      It seems like Santos went above and beyond what any of these other characters did.

                                      There have been only six members expelled from the House.

                                      Three of those fought for the Confederacy.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        @Doctor-Phibes said in George Santos Charged:

                                        It seems like Santos went above and beyond what any of these other characters did.

                                        There have been only six members expelled from the House.

                                        Three of those fought for the Confederacy.

                                        CopperC Offline
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                                        Copper
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #74

                                        @Jolly said in George Santos Charged:

                                        Three of those fought for the Confederacy.

                                        I thought those guys had been erased from history.

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          @Doctor-Phibes said in George Santos Charged:

                                          It seems like Santos went above and beyond what any of these other characters did.

                                          There have been only six members expelled from the House.

                                          Three of those fought for the Confederacy.

                                          Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                          Doctor Phibes
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                                          #75

                                          @Jolly said in George Santos Charged:

                                          @Doctor-Phibes said in George Santos Charged:

                                          It seems like Santos went above and beyond what any of these other characters did.

                                          There have been only six members expelled from the House.

                                          Three of those fought for the Confederacy.

                                          Well I do think the system of removing the party whip is much better, but it seems like this had cross party support

                                          I was only joking

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