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    George K
    wrote on 17 Nov 2023, 15:37 last edited by
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    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Mik
      wrote on 17 Nov 2023, 15:39 last edited by
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      That excuse only flies for the first visit. 😆

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        George K
        wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 14:41 last edited by
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        There will be a House vote as to whether to expel Santos.

        I'm of mixed mind on this one.

        In my opinion, the guy's a dishonest, inveterate liar, who, besides those endearing attributes, appears to have engaged in some serious criminal activity. He has no place being a Congressman.

        But...

        I fear it sets a dangerous precedent (as if we needed another). So far, everything has been accusations and allegations. He's been convicted of nothing, and he's innocent of these crimes until...

        So it comes down to the House voting to expel him because he's a horrible person, and there would be a long list of such people in DC, and they don't like him.

        Should this be left up to the voters?

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • G George K
          1 Dec 2023, 14:41

          There will be a House vote as to whether to expel Santos.

          I'm of mixed mind on this one.

          In my opinion, the guy's a dishonest, inveterate liar, who, besides those endearing attributes, appears to have engaged in some serious criminal activity. He has no place being a Congressman.

          But...

          I fear it sets a dangerous precedent (as if we needed another). So far, everything has been accusations and allegations. He's been convicted of nothing, and he's innocent of these crimes until...

          So it comes down to the House voting to expel him because he's a horrible person, and there would be a long list of such people in DC, and they don't like him.

          Should this be left up to the voters?

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          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 15:29 last edited by Doctor Phibes 12 Jan 2023, 15:48
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          @George-K said in George Santos Charged:

          Should this be left up to the voters?

          In a sane world he'd have resigned months ago.

          In the British system when something like this happens they can remove the party whip from him, essentially kicking him out of the party. He would still be an MP, but without access to any party resources. He would continue to sit as an independent. Is there anything similar in the US?

          I was only joking

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          • D Doctor Phibes
            1 Dec 2023, 15:29

            @George-K said in George Santos Charged:

            Should this be left up to the voters?

            In a sane world he'd have resigned months ago.

            In the British system when something like this happens they can remove the party whip from him, essentially kicking him out of the party. He would still be an MP, but without access to any party resources. He would continue to sit as an independent. Is there anything similar in the US?

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            Renauda
            wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 15:47 last edited by
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            @Doctor-Phibes

            The same here as well. He would be thrown out of caucus and forced to sit as an independent.

            Elbows up!

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              LuFins Dad
              wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 16:06 last edited by
              #56

              That would be best scenario and one that is available for the caucus

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                George K
                wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 16:07 last edited by
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                I think the only option is a voluntary declaration of being independent. I might be wrong.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Axtremus
                  wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 16:13 last edited by Axtremus 12 Jan 2023, 16:14
                  #58

                  Santos expelled:

                  https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/12/01/nyregion/george-santos-expulsion-vote

                  311 to 114. A majority of House Republicans voted to expel Santos.

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                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 16:38 last edited by
                    #59

                    Yeah, this is a little troubling. This could be abused very easily.

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                      LuFins Dad
                      wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 16:41 last edited by LuFins Dad 12 Jan 2023, 16:41
                      #60

                      So Gaetz next?

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                        LuFins Dad
                        wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 16:41 last edited by
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                          1 Dec 2023, 16:41

                          So Gaetz next?

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                          George K
                          wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 17:01 last edited by
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                          @LuFins-Dad said in George Santos Charged:

                          So Gaetz next?

                          On what grounds, being an a-hole?

                          AFAIK the ethics charges against him are questionable and there are no indictments.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 17:31 last edited by
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                            I don’t have the issue you guys have. The ethics committee’s work counts as due process as far as I’m concerned.

                            You were warned.

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                              2 Nov 2023, 05:23

                              https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ny-republicans-force-vote-push-expel-george-santos/story?id=104539525

                              Republican-led push to expel George Santos fails in the House

                              The resolution needed a two-thirds majority to succeed, but fell well short. The final vote was 179 to 213 with 19 members voting present.

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                              Jolly
                              wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 17:58 last edited by
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                              @Axtremus said in George Santos Charged:

                              https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ny-republicans-force-vote-push-expel-george-santos/story?id=104539525

                              Republican-led push to expel George Santos fails in the House

                              The resolution needed a two-thirds majority to succeed, but fell well short. The final vote was 179 to 213 with 19 members voting present.

                              Good.

                              When convicted, they can toss him.

                              If reprehensible behavior is the key to expulsion, have I got a couple of hate-spewing antisemites for your consideration.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • G George K
                                1 Dec 2023, 17:01

                                @LuFins-Dad said in George Santos Charged:

                                So Gaetz next?

                                On what grounds, being an a-hole?

                                AFAIK the ethics charges against him are questionable and there are no indictments.

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                                LuFins Dad
                                wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 18:28 last edited by
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                                @George-K said in George Santos Charged:

                                @LuFins-Dad said in George Santos Charged:

                                So Gaetz next?

                                On what grounds, being an a-hole?

                                AFAIK the ethics charges against him are questionable and there are no indictments.

                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution

                                Each House [of Congress] may determine the Rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member.

                                Nothing there about ethics committees, convictions, etc… Would you say Gaetz’s attacks on McConnell were disorderly? And do you think you could get enough votes?

                                How about Omar? Or Tlaib in the Senate? Think you could get 17 Dems in the Senate to vote for expulsion? There are currently 9 Jewish Democrat Senators… Add in Manchin, Sinema, Lurch… I bet you could find 17 members, especially since she’s attacking the sitting President with an upcoming election…

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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 18:50 last edited by
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                                  Tlaib is in the House

                                  You were warned.

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                                    LuFins Dad
                                    wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 19:15 last edited by
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                                    Brain fart.

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                                      1 Dec 2023, 18:28

                                      @George-K said in George Santos Charged:

                                      @LuFins-Dad said in George Santos Charged:

                                      So Gaetz next?

                                      On what grounds, being an a-hole?

                                      AFAIK the ethics charges against him are questionable and there are no indictments.

                                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution

                                      Each House [of Congress] may determine the Rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member.

                                      Nothing there about ethics committees, convictions, etc… Would you say Gaetz’s attacks on McConnell were disorderly? And do you think you could get enough votes?

                                      How about Omar? Or Tlaib in the Senate? Think you could get 17 Dems in the Senate to vote for expulsion? There are currently 9 Jewish Democrat Senators… Add in Manchin, Sinema, Lurch… I bet you could find 17 members, especially since she’s attacking the sitting President with an upcoming election…

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 19:47 last edited by
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                                      @LuFins-Dad said in George Santos Charged:

                                      Nothing there about ethics committees, convictions, etc… Would you say Gaetz’s attacks on McConnell were disorderly?

                                      I realize that. IT's their house and they make the rules.

                                      Gaetz? Disorderly? Of course.
                                      Lurch hasn't been out of line that I've seen, other than his attire.
                                      Tlaib...yeah.

                                      The majority controls the committees, and I have little doubt that they will, um, suggest to their members to follow the lines that leadership should be followed.

                                      (too lazy to look it up)

                                      Have there been similar findings by the ethics committee in the past where members have not been expelled?

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Doctor Phibes
                                        wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 19:49 last edited by
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                                        It seems like Santos went above and beyond what any of these other characters did.

                                        I was only joking

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                                        • D Doctor Phibes
                                          1 Dec 2023, 19:49

                                          It seems like Santos went above and beyond what any of these other characters did.

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                                          LuFins Dad
                                          wrote on 1 Dec 2023, 21:00 last edited by
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                                          @Doctor-Phibes said in George Santos Charged:

                                          It seems like Santos went above and beyond what any of these other characters did.

                                          It doesn’t really matter. Now that the step has been taken, it will be easier the next. When have you seen our political leaders not take a new precedent and new authority and abuse it?

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