In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak
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wrote on 13 Apr 2020, 11:51 last edited by jon-nyc
FWIW we have more than one candidate ahead of this, already in trials.
I think the first person ever given a Covid vaccine got it almost month ago
eta: yep, March 16th
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@Loki said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:
Vaccine ready by September?
80% confident
My understanding is the main constraint is proving efficacy and safety. I beat on the FDA as much as anyone for their Type1/Type2 error imbalance, but clearly in this case safety is of utmost importance since literally billions of people will take this vaccine.
I don't have any experience with the MHRA but I doubt the FDA will green light in September.
Maybe the scientist's definition of 'ready' is different than the pharmacists?
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wrote on 13 Apr 2020, 13:03 last edited by
What is scary lately is I have seen a lot more FB crap criticizing Fauci anfd Ohio's Acton and DeWine for being wrong with the models,calling these fine folks frauds.
I hope this virus blows away like a fart in the wind as temperatures rise, but I would not count on it. It seems quite robust.
The federal government can declare whatever they want reopened, but I know an awful lot of people who want no part of it. It would be a sure way to lose reelection for Trump.
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wrote on 13 Apr 2020, 13:20 last edited by
The number of people who want to go out will grow between now and November.
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What is scary lately is I have seen a lot more FB crap criticizing Fauci anfd Ohio's Acton and DeWine for being wrong with the models,calling these fine folks frauds.
I hope this virus blows away like a fart in the wind as temperatures rise, but I would not count on it. It seems quite robust.
The federal government can declare whatever they want reopened, but I know an awful lot of people who want no part of it. It would be a sure way to lose reelection for Trump.
wrote on 13 Apr 2020, 13:23 last edited by@Mik said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:
What is scary lately is I have seen a lot more FB crap criticizing Fauci anfd Ohio's Acton and DeWine for being wrong with the models,calling these fine folks frauds.
I hope this virus blows away like a fart in the wind as temperatures rise, but I would not count on it. It seems quite robust.
The federal government can declare whatever they want reopened, but I know an awful lot of people who want no part of it. It would be a sure way to lose reelection for Trump.
Fauci did himself no favors this weekend. The comments he made viewed one way is a no-brainer...If we had locked down the country earlier, the disease would not have spread as quickly. OTOH, in these hyperpolitical times, it was a comment that should have not been made.
As for vaccines...Beware of people who promise you the moon, if you'll just throw money at them. Also keep in mind what hoops any vaccine will have to jump through to prove safety and effectiveness to the FDA...Even the new FDA. A vaccine might be ready, and may be very promising, but not ready to inoculate people.
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@Mik said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:
What is scary lately is I have seen a lot more FB crap criticizing Fauci anfd Ohio's Acton and DeWine for being wrong with the models,calling these fine folks frauds.
I hope this virus blows away like a fart in the wind as temperatures rise, but I would not count on it. It seems quite robust.
The federal government can declare whatever they want reopened, but I know an awful lot of people who want no part of it. It would be a sure way to lose reelection for Trump.
Fauci did himself no favors this weekend. The comments he made viewed one way is a no-brainer...If we had locked down the country earlier, the disease would not have spread as quickly. OTOH, in these hyperpolitical times, it was a comment that should have not been made.
As for vaccines...Beware of people who promise you the moon, if you'll just throw money at them. Also keep in mind what hoops any vaccine will have to jump through to prove safety and effectiveness to the FDA...Even the new FDA. A vaccine might be ready, and may be very promising, but not ready to inoculate people.
wrote on 13 Apr 2020, 13:34 last edited by@Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:
Fauci did himself no favors this weekend. The comments he made viewed one way is a no-brainer...If we had locked down the country earlier, the disease would not have spread as quickly. OTOH, in these hyperpolitical times, it was a comment that should have not been made.
And Trump made things worse by retweeting a #FireFauci tweet.
Now you want a scientist to guard his comments like a politician and you give a politician unlimited free passes for making idiotic comments publicly? What’s wrong with you?
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wrote on 13 Apr 2020, 13:42 last edited by
@wtg , Loki
So she hasn’t really gotten going yet and is looking for funding? Its kind of a weird piece. Horribly reported.
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wrote on 13 Apr 2020, 13:58 last edited by
Still, Jolly - it would be a really, really bad move to fire him. It would give more ammunition to those who say he doesn't listen to the scientists and would shake up an already scared population. This is a situation where a steady hand is needed, not management by chaos.
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@Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:
Fauci did himself no favors this weekend. The comments he made viewed one way is a no-brainer...If we had locked down the country earlier, the disease would not have spread as quickly. OTOH, in these hyperpolitical times, it was a comment that should have not been made.
And Trump made things worse by retweeting a #FireFauci tweet.
Now you want a scientist to guard his comments like a politician and you give a politician unlimited free passes for making idiotic comments publicly? What’s wrong with you?
wrote on 13 Apr 2020, 14:07 last edited by@Axtremus said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:
@Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:
Fauci did himself no favors this weekend. The comments he made viewed one way is a no-brainer...If we had locked down the country earlier, the disease would not have spread as quickly. OTOH, in these hyperpolitical times, it was a comment that should have not been made.
And Trump made things worse by retweeting a #FireFauci tweet.
Now you want a scientist to guard his comments like a politician and you give a politician unlimited free passes for making idiotic comments publicly? What’s wrong with you?
As usual, you are late to the party. Fauci is a doc, but he's as much a politician as Rand Paul or Bill Cassidy. It's evident by things he has said in the past, but the primary evidence is the job he has held for quite some time.
You simply do not get to, or function at that level without a pretty good knowledge of politics.
Trump does hit the Twitter button much too quickly at times. But I don't care who the President is, nobody goes off the reservation at a time like this, especially in hyper-partisan times, without a major ass-chewing.
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wrote on 13 Apr 2020, 14:11 last edited by
yeah, because politics is so much more important than providing accurate information.
GMAFB.
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@wtg , Loki
So she hasn’t really gotten going yet and is looking for funding? Its kind of a weird piece. Horribly reported.
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Still, Jolly - it would be a really, really bad move to fire him. It would give more ammunition to those who say he doesn't listen to the scientists and would shake up an already scared population. This is a situation where a steady hand is needed, not management by chaos.
wrote on 13 Apr 2020, 14:50 last edited by@Mik said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:
Still, Jolly - it would be a really, really bad move to fire him. It would give more ammunition to those who say he doesn't listen to the scientists and would shake up an already scared population. This is a situation where a steady hand is needed, not management by chaos.
He's not going to fire him, but I think you'll see Fauci backtrack at today's briefing.
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wrote on 13 Apr 2020, 14:54 last edited by
@mark said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:
yeah, because politics is so much more important than providing accurate information.
GMAFB.
Your ignorance is either feigned or you are extremely naive. I don't think you are either.
Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.
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@mark said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:
yeah, because politics is so much more important than providing accurate information.
GMAFB.
Your ignorance is either feigned or you are extremely naive. I don't think you are either.
Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.
wrote on 13 Apr 2020, 14:57 last edited by@Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:
Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.
Both the media and the current administration have been nothing but mixed messages, from January to March.
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@Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:
Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.
Both the media and the current administration have been nothing but mixed messages, from January to March.
wrote on 13 Apr 2020, 15:04 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:
@Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:
Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.
Both the media and the current administration have been nothing but mixed messages, from January to March.
Kinda, but not really.
- Most of the media has been in the Doom & Gloom business constantly, and the usual Orange Man bad type of questions and articles.
- I wouldn't say the administration has been as much mixed messages, as evolving messages. As usual with large entities, the government has been slower to change than a smaller entity.
If you look, we're seeing another evolution right now. Safety is being balanced against economic collapse. I think we'll be seeing policy changes by the end of April.
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@mark said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:
yeah, because politics is so much more important than providing accurate information.
GMAFB.
Your ignorance is either feigned or you are extremely naive. I don't think you are either.
Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.
wrote on 13 Apr 2020, 15:24 last edited by@Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:
@mark said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:
yeah, because politics is so much more important than providing accurate information.
GMAFB.
Your ignorance is either feigned or you are extremely naive. I don't think you are either.
Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.
Especially not with the bloodthirsty press we have today.
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@Mik said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:
Still, Jolly - it would be a really, really bad move to fire him. It would give more ammunition to those who say he doesn't listen to the scientists and would shake up an already scared population. This is a situation where a steady hand is needed, not management by chaos.
He's not going to fire him, but I think you'll see Fauci backtrack at today's briefing.
wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 12:32 last edited by@Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:
@Mik said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:
Still, Jolly - it would be a really, really bad move to fire him. It would give more ammunition to those who say he doesn't listen to the scientists and would shake up an already scared population. This is a situation where a steady hand is needed, not management by chaos.
He's not going to fire him, but I think you'll see Fauci backtrack at today's briefing.
Correctamundo, brother.
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wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 14:22 last edited by
This sums it up:
Paula Reid, CBS. (To Fauci). Are you doing this voluntarily or did the President.—
F.auci: no, I am doing it—everything I do is voluntarily. Please don’t even imply that.
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wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 14:24 last edited by Mik
What a stupid question to ask. Just trying to get him to say something clickbait..
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wrote on 14 Apr 2020, 14:49 last edited by Aqua Letifer
@Mik said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:
What a stupid question to ask. Just trying to get him to say something clickbait..
That's been the game for the past month.
It's like there are two tiers of journalism, otften within the same publication: the job of the political reporters is to gin up clickbait to rake in ridiculously diminishing ad returns (although with everyone being home, ad reach has been artificially inflated, no doubt giving the ad sales guys a false sense of security and justification), and then the content reporters investigate every potentially plausible theory they come across.
Neither are really all that great, but long story short, political coverage is clickbait and outrage pr0n masquerading as public interest.