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In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak

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  • L Loki

    Vaccine ready by September?

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-11/coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-ready-in-six-months-times

    80% confident

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    @Loki said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

    Vaccine ready by September?

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-11/coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-ready-in-six-months-times

    80% confident

    My understanding is the main constraint is proving efficacy and safety. I beat on the FDA as much as anyone for their Type1/Type2 error imbalance, but clearly in this case safety is of utmost importance since literally billions of people will take this vaccine.

    I don't have any experience with the MHRA but I doubt the FDA will green light in September.

    Maybe the scientist's definition of 'ready' is different than the pharmacists?

    Only non-witches get due process.

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      FWIW we have more than one candidate ahead of this, already in trials.

      I think the first person ever given a Covid vaccine got it almost month ago

      eta: yep, March 16th

      Only non-witches get due process.

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        @Loki said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

        Vaccine ready by September?

        https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-11/coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-ready-in-six-months-times

        80% confident

        My understanding is the main constraint is proving efficacy and safety. I beat on the FDA as much as anyone for their Type1/Type2 error imbalance, but clearly in this case safety is of utmost importance since literally billions of people will take this vaccine.

        I don't have any experience with the MHRA but I doubt the FDA will green light in September.

        Maybe the scientist's definition of 'ready' is different than the pharmacists?

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          What is scary lately is I have seen a lot more FB crap criticizing Fauci anfd Ohio's Acton and DeWine for being wrong with the models,calling these fine folks frauds.

          I hope this virus blows away like a fart in the wind as temperatures rise, but I would not count on it. It seems quite robust.

          The federal government can declare whatever they want reopened, but I know an awful lot of people who want no part of it. It would be a sure way to lose reelection for Trump.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            The number of people who want to go out will grow between now and November.

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            • MikM Mik

              What is scary lately is I have seen a lot more FB crap criticizing Fauci anfd Ohio's Acton and DeWine for being wrong with the models,calling these fine folks frauds.

              I hope this virus blows away like a fart in the wind as temperatures rise, but I would not count on it. It seems quite robust.

              The federal government can declare whatever they want reopened, but I know an awful lot of people who want no part of it. It would be a sure way to lose reelection for Trump.

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              @Mik said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

              What is scary lately is I have seen a lot more FB crap criticizing Fauci anfd Ohio's Acton and DeWine for being wrong with the models,calling these fine folks frauds.

              I hope this virus blows away like a fart in the wind as temperatures rise, but I would not count on it. It seems quite robust.

              The federal government can declare whatever they want reopened, but I know an awful lot of people who want no part of it. It would be a sure way to lose reelection for Trump.

              Fauci did himself no favors this weekend. The comments he made viewed one way is a no-brainer...If we had locked down the country earlier, the disease would not have spread as quickly. OTOH, in these hyperpolitical times, it was a comment that should have not been made.

              As for vaccines...Beware of people who promise you the moon, if you'll just throw money at them. Also keep in mind what hoops any vaccine will have to jump through to prove safety and effectiveness to the FDA...Even the new FDA. A vaccine might be ready, and may be very promising, but not ready to inoculate people.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                @Mik said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                What is scary lately is I have seen a lot more FB crap criticizing Fauci anfd Ohio's Acton and DeWine for being wrong with the models,calling these fine folks frauds.

                I hope this virus blows away like a fart in the wind as temperatures rise, but I would not count on it. It seems quite robust.

                The federal government can declare whatever they want reopened, but I know an awful lot of people who want no part of it. It would be a sure way to lose reelection for Trump.

                Fauci did himself no favors this weekend. The comments he made viewed one way is a no-brainer...If we had locked down the country earlier, the disease would not have spread as quickly. OTOH, in these hyperpolitical times, it was a comment that should have not been made.

                As for vaccines...Beware of people who promise you the moon, if you'll just throw money at them. Also keep in mind what hoops any vaccine will have to jump through to prove safety and effectiveness to the FDA...Even the new FDA. A vaccine might be ready, and may be very promising, but not ready to inoculate people.

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                @Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                Fauci did himself no favors this weekend. The comments he made viewed one way is a no-brainer...If we had locked down the country earlier, the disease would not have spread as quickly. OTOH, in these hyperpolitical times, it was a comment that should have not been made.

                And Trump made things worse by retweeting a #FireFauci tweet.

                Now you want a scientist to guard his comments like a politician and you give a politician unlimited free passes for making idiotic comments publicly? What’s wrong with you?

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                  @wtg , Loki

                  So she hasn’t really gotten going yet and is looking for funding? Its kind of a weird piece. Horribly reported.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                    Still, Jolly - it would be a really, really bad move to fire him. It would give more ammunition to those who say he doesn't listen to the scientists and would shake up an already scared population. This is a situation where a steady hand is needed, not management by chaos.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      @Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                      Fauci did himself no favors this weekend. The comments he made viewed one way is a no-brainer...If we had locked down the country earlier, the disease would not have spread as quickly. OTOH, in these hyperpolitical times, it was a comment that should have not been made.

                      And Trump made things worse by retweeting a #FireFauci tweet.

                      Now you want a scientist to guard his comments like a politician and you give a politician unlimited free passes for making idiotic comments publicly? What’s wrong with you?

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                      @Axtremus said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                      @Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                      Fauci did himself no favors this weekend. The comments he made viewed one way is a no-brainer...If we had locked down the country earlier, the disease would not have spread as quickly. OTOH, in these hyperpolitical times, it was a comment that should have not been made.

                      And Trump made things worse by retweeting a #FireFauci tweet.

                      Now you want a scientist to guard his comments like a politician and you give a politician unlimited free passes for making idiotic comments publicly? What’s wrong with you?

                      As usual, you are late to the party. Fauci is a doc, but he's as much a politician as Rand Paul or Bill Cassidy. It's evident by things he has said in the past, but the primary evidence is the job he has held for quite some time.

                      You simply do not get to, or function at that level without a pretty good knowledge of politics.

                      Trump does hit the Twitter button much too quickly at times. But I don't care who the President is, nobody goes off the reservation at a time like this, especially in hyper-partisan times, without a major ass-chewing.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        yeah, because politics is so much more important than providing accurate information.

                        GMAFB.

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                          @wtg , Loki

                          So she hasn’t really gotten going yet and is looking for funding? Its kind of a weird piece. Horribly reported.

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                          • MikM Mik

                            Still, Jolly - it would be a really, really bad move to fire him. It would give more ammunition to those who say he doesn't listen to the scientists and would shake up an already scared population. This is a situation where a steady hand is needed, not management by chaos.

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                            @Mik said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                            Still, Jolly - it would be a really, really bad move to fire him. It would give more ammunition to those who say he doesn't listen to the scientists and would shake up an already scared population. This is a situation where a steady hand is needed, not management by chaos.

                            He's not going to fire him, but I think you'll see Fauci backtrack at today's briefing.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              yeah, because politics is so much more important than providing accurate information.

                              GMAFB.

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                              @mark said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                              yeah, because politics is so much more important than providing accurate information.

                              GMAFB.

                              Your ignorance is either feigned or you are extremely naive. I don't think you are either.

                              Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                @mark said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                                yeah, because politics is so much more important than providing accurate information.

                                GMAFB.

                                Your ignorance is either feigned or you are extremely naive. I don't think you are either.

                                Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.

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                                @Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                                Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.

                                Both the media and the current administration have been nothing but mixed messages, from January to March.

                                Please love yourself.

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                                • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                  @Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                                  Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.

                                  Both the media and the current administration have been nothing but mixed messages, from January to March.

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                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                                  @Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                                  Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.

                                  Both the media and the current administration have been nothing but mixed messages, from January to March.

                                  Kinda, but not really.

                                  1. Most of the media has been in the Doom & Gloom business constantly, and the usual Orange Man bad type of questions and articles.
                                  2. I wouldn't say the administration has been as much mixed messages, as evolving messages. As usual with large entities, the government has been slower to change than a smaller entity.

                                  If you look, we're seeing another evolution right now. Safety is being balanced against economic collapse. I think we'll be seeing policy changes by the end of April.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    @mark said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                                    yeah, because politics is so much more important than providing accurate information.

                                    GMAFB.

                                    Your ignorance is either feigned or you are extremely naive. I don't think you are either.

                                    Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.

                                    MikM Away
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                                    Mik
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                                    @Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                                    @mark said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                                    yeah, because politics is so much more important than providing accurate information.

                                    GMAFB.

                                    Your ignorance is either feigned or you are extremely naive. I don't think you are either.

                                    Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.

                                    Especially not with the bloodthirsty press we have today.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      @Mik said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                                      Still, Jolly - it would be a really, really bad move to fire him. It would give more ammunition to those who say he doesn't listen to the scientists and would shake up an already scared population. This is a situation where a steady hand is needed, not management by chaos.

                                      He's not going to fire him, but I think you'll see Fauci backtrack at today's briefing.

                                      MikM Away
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                                      Mik
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                                      @Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                                      @Mik said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                                      Still, Jolly - it would be a really, really bad move to fire him. It would give more ammunition to those who say he doesn't listen to the scientists and would shake up an already scared population. This is a situation where a steady hand is needed, not management by chaos.

                                      He's not going to fire him, but I think you'll see Fauci backtrack at today's briefing.

                                      Correctamundo, brother.

                                      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/13/coronavirus-trump-retweets-call-dr-anthony-faucis-firing/2981147001/

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        This sums it up:

                                        Paula Reid, CBS. (To Fauci). Are you doing this voluntarily or did the President.—

                                        F.auci: no, I am doing it—everything I do is voluntarily. Please don’t even imply that.

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                                          What a stupid question to ask. Just trying to get him to say something clickbait..

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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