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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    #86

    @wtg , Loki

    So she hasn’t really gotten going yet and is looking for funding? Its kind of a weird piece. Horribly reported.

    Only non-witches get due process.

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      Still, Jolly - it would be a really, really bad move to fire him. It would give more ammunition to those who say he doesn't listen to the scientists and would shake up an already scared population. This is a situation where a steady hand is needed, not management by chaos.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        @Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

        Fauci did himself no favors this weekend. The comments he made viewed one way is a no-brainer...If we had locked down the country earlier, the disease would not have spread as quickly. OTOH, in these hyperpolitical times, it was a comment that should have not been made.

        And Trump made things worse by retweeting a #FireFauci tweet.

        Now you want a scientist to guard his comments like a politician and you give a politician unlimited free passes for making idiotic comments publicly? What’s wrong with you?

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        @Axtremus said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

        @Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

        Fauci did himself no favors this weekend. The comments he made viewed one way is a no-brainer...If we had locked down the country earlier, the disease would not have spread as quickly. OTOH, in these hyperpolitical times, it was a comment that should have not been made.

        And Trump made things worse by retweeting a #FireFauci tweet.

        Now you want a scientist to guard his comments like a politician and you give a politician unlimited free passes for making idiotic comments publicly? What’s wrong with you?

        As usual, you are late to the party. Fauci is a doc, but he's as much a politician as Rand Paul or Bill Cassidy. It's evident by things he has said in the past, but the primary evidence is the job he has held for quite some time.

        You simply do not get to, or function at that level without a pretty good knowledge of politics.

        Trump does hit the Twitter button much too quickly at times. But I don't care who the President is, nobody goes off the reservation at a time like this, especially in hyper-partisan times, without a major ass-chewing.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          yeah, because politics is so much more important than providing accurate information.

          GMAFB.

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            @wtg , Loki

            So she hasn’t really gotten going yet and is looking for funding? Its kind of a weird piece. Horribly reported.

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            • MikM Mik

              Still, Jolly - it would be a really, really bad move to fire him. It would give more ammunition to those who say he doesn't listen to the scientists and would shake up an already scared population. This is a situation where a steady hand is needed, not management by chaos.

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              @Mik said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

              Still, Jolly - it would be a really, really bad move to fire him. It would give more ammunition to those who say he doesn't listen to the scientists and would shake up an already scared population. This is a situation where a steady hand is needed, not management by chaos.

              He's not going to fire him, but I think you'll see Fauci backtrack at today's briefing.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • markM mark

                yeah, because politics is so much more important than providing accurate information.

                GMAFB.

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                @mark said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                yeah, because politics is so much more important than providing accurate information.

                GMAFB.

                Your ignorance is either feigned or you are extremely naive. I don't think you are either.

                Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  @mark said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                  yeah, because politics is so much more important than providing accurate information.

                  GMAFB.

                  Your ignorance is either feigned or you are extremely naive. I don't think you are either.

                  Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.

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                  @Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                  Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.

                  Both the media and the current administration have been nothing but mixed messages, from January to March.

                  Please love yourself.

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                  • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                    @Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                    Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.

                    Both the media and the current administration have been nothing but mixed messages, from January to March.

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                    @Aqua-Letifer said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                    @Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                    Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.

                    Both the media and the current administration have been nothing but mixed messages, from January to March.

                    Kinda, but not really.

                    1. Most of the media has been in the Doom & Gloom business constantly, and the usual Orange Man bad type of questions and articles.
                    2. I wouldn't say the administration has been as much mixed messages, as evolving messages. As usual with large entities, the government has been slower to change than a smaller entity.

                    If you look, we're seeing another evolution right now. Safety is being balanced against economic collapse. I think we'll be seeing policy changes by the end of April.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      @mark said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                      yeah, because politics is so much more important than providing accurate information.

                      GMAFB.

                      Your ignorance is either feigned or you are extremely naive. I don't think you are either.

                      Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.

                      MikM Away
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                      Mik
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                      #95

                      @Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                      @mark said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                      yeah, because politics is so much more important than providing accurate information.

                      GMAFB.

                      Your ignorance is either feigned or you are extremely naive. I don't think you are either.

                      Any thinking person knows that to effectively govern in times like these, you cannot have hugely mixed messages to the public. These things are hammered out behind closed doors.

                      Especially not with the bloodthirsty press we have today.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        @Mik said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                        Still, Jolly - it would be a really, really bad move to fire him. It would give more ammunition to those who say he doesn't listen to the scientists and would shake up an already scared population. This is a situation where a steady hand is needed, not management by chaos.

                        He's not going to fire him, but I think you'll see Fauci backtrack at today's briefing.

                        MikM Away
                        MikM Away
                        Mik
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                        #96

                        @Jolly said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                        @Mik said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                        Still, Jolly - it would be a really, really bad move to fire him. It would give more ammunition to those who say he doesn't listen to the scientists and would shake up an already scared population. This is a situation where a steady hand is needed, not management by chaos.

                        He's not going to fire him, but I think you'll see Fauci backtrack at today's briefing.

                        Correctamundo, brother.

                        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/13/coronavirus-trump-retweets-call-dr-anthony-faucis-firing/2981147001/

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          This sums it up:

                          Paula Reid, CBS. (To Fauci). Are you doing this voluntarily or did the President.—

                          F.auci: no, I am doing it—everything I do is voluntarily. Please don’t even imply that.

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                          • MikM Away
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                            Mik
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                            #98

                            What a stupid question to ask. Just trying to get him to say something clickbait..

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • MikM Mik

                              What a stupid question to ask. Just trying to get him to say something clickbait..

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                              @Mik said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                              What a stupid question to ask. Just trying to get him to say something clickbait..

                              That's been the game for the past month.

                              It's like there are two tiers of journalism, otften within the same publication: the job of the political reporters is to gin up clickbait to rake in ridiculously diminishing ad returns (although with everyone being home, ad reach has been artificially inflated, no doubt giving the ad sales guys a false sense of security and justification), and then the content reporters investigate every potentially plausible theory they come across.

                              Neither are really all that great, but long story short, political coverage is clickbait and outrage pr0n masquerading as public interest.

                              Please love yourself.

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                              • MikM Mik

                                What a stupid question to ask. Just trying to get him to say something clickbait..

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                                @Mik said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                                Just trying to get him to say something clickbait..

                                He loves clickbait, he loves the attention and the TV ratings, and he seems naturally prolific at generating material for click bait.

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                                  Active cases in the US did not peak in April.

                                  8D10C02F-6DE7-4AFC-8C2C-65F3BF4D37D7.jpeg

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                                    Here’s an interesting way of looking at the data. Proportion of cases that have resolved.

                                    Seems to me we’re on track to exceed 100k deaths by summer.

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                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      What are the sources for those data, Jon?

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        #104

                                        The top one I cut from worldometers directly. The bottom one is from Branco Milanovic citing worldometers data.

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          Active cases in the US did not peak in April.

                                          8D10C02F-6DE7-4AFC-8C2C-65F3BF4D37D7.jpeg

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                                          @jon-nyc said in In which jon-nyc stakes out an unconventional opinion on the Covid-19 outbreak:

                                          Active cases in the US did not peak in April.

                                          8D10C02F-6DE7-4AFC-8C2C-65F3BF4D37D7.jpeg

                                          What is an active case? Someone who tested positive? More tests= more cases? What am I missing?

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