Debt Ceiling 2023
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wrote on 6 May 2023, 17:44 last edited by
https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-ratings-scope-ratings-idUSKBN2WX00H
Scope Ratings on Friday placed the United States of America’s AA long-term issuer and senior unsecured debt ratings in local and foreign currency under review for a possible downgrade due to longer run risks associated with the misuse of the debt ceiling instrument.
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wrote on 8 May 2023, 17:51 last edited by
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wrote on 8 May 2023, 18:32 last edited by jon-nyc 5 Aug 2023, 18:33
I don't think that passes constitutional muster. Borrowing money is reserved for congress, and if the executive tries to do that unilaterally that has constitutional problems.
Of course congress has passed all the laws that are requiring the current level of spending, so the executive unilaterally halting spending to prevent breaking the ceiling would have the same constitutional problem.
I suspect the only truly constitutional methods for the executive branch to unilaterally navigate a debt ceiling crisis would be either minting the trillion dollar coins or issue premium bonds (bonds with above-market interest rates that will sell well above face value, since face value is what counts in the debt ceiling limit).
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wrote on 15 May 2023, 02:49 last edited by
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/14/supreme-court-debt-limit-14th-amendment-00096784
More discussion on the 14th Amendment. Some interesting stuff like whether the Supreme Court would want or touch it at all, whether anyone will buy bonds issued by the Executive Branch (but not authorized by the Legislative Branch), whether anyone will have standing to sue if such bonds are issued, especially if such bonds are sold only to the Federal Reserve.
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wrote on 2 Jun 2023, 22:15 last edited by
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-give-prime-time-address-debt-ceiling-deal/story?id=99787806
Biden to speak about the debt ceiling deal tonight at prime time (June 2, 2023, 7 PM Eastern).
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wrote on 2 Jun 2023, 22:21 last edited by
Very presidential thing to do.
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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-give-prime-time-address-debt-ceiling-deal/story?id=99787806
Biden to speak about the debt ceiling deal tonight at prime time (June 2, 2023, 7 PM Eastern).
wrote on 2 Jun 2023, 22:24 last edited by@Axtremus said in Debt Ceiling 2023:
Biden to speak about the debt ceiling deal tonight at prime time (June 2, 2023, 7 PM Eastern).
One of the provisions in the agreement is the cancellation of student debt forgiveness. Somewhere I read that that's a stand-alone bill.
I wonder if he'll veto that.
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wrote on 2 Jun 2023, 22:47 last edited by
I bet he wants more of your money.
And he wants more debt.
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wrote on 2 Jun 2023, 23:16 last edited by
Yep. He wants more money. He talks about taxing the wealthy but doesn't seem to understand the difference between net worth and income. That was a most partisan non-partisan speech.
Still, it was pretty good, and it was presidential.
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@Axtremus said in Debt Ceiling 2023:
Biden to speak about the debt ceiling deal tonight at prime time (June 2, 2023, 7 PM Eastern).
One of the provisions in the agreement is the cancellation of student debt forgiveness. Somewhere I read that that's a stand-alone bill.
I wonder if he'll veto that.
wrote on 2 Jun 2023, 23:33 last edited by@George-K said in Debt Ceiling 2023:
@Axtremus said in Debt Ceiling 2023:
Biden to speak about the debt ceiling deal tonight at prime time (June 2, 2023, 7 PM Eastern).
One of the provisions in the agreement is the cancellation of student debt forgiveness. Somewhere I read that that's a stand-alone bill.
I wonder if he'll veto that.
Nah, he’ll sign as is. He and McCarthy made the deal after all.
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wrote on 2 Jun 2023, 23:36 last edited by
Agreed, Jon. Despite his slightly confusing speech, the bipartisanship is encouraging.
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@George-K said in Debt Ceiling 2023:
@Axtremus said in Debt Ceiling 2023:
Biden to speak about the debt ceiling deal tonight at prime time (June 2, 2023, 7 PM Eastern).
One of the provisions in the agreement is the cancellation of student debt forgiveness. Somewhere I read that that's a stand-alone bill.
I wonder if he'll veto that.
Nah, he’ll sign as is. He and McCarthy made the deal after all.
wrote on 3 Jun 2023, 00:23 last edited by@Jon said in Debt Ceiling 2023:
Nah, he’ll sign as is. He and McCarthy made the deal after all.
Turley's article doesn't substantiate his comment about what KJP said.
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wrote on 3 Jun 2023, 00:28 last edited by
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/26/house-passes-bill-blocking-student-debt-forgiveness.html
The Senate passed a bill on Thursday aimed at blocking President Joe Biden’s student debt forgiveness plan and ending the pause on federal student loan payments and interest.
The Republican-sponsored bill passed by a vote of 52-46 with three Democrats joining Republicans in support of the resolution. The White House vowed to veto the bill before it went before the House.
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wrote on 3 Jun 2023, 00:40 last edited by
This is better in the end, ending the program would moot the SCOTUS case. I’d rather SCOTUS end it so no president tries again some day.
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wrote on 3 Jun 2023, 01:38 last edited by
Bernie's op-ed:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/02/bernie-sanders-debt-ceiling-bill
Bernie says he could not vote for the debt ceiling bill because he thinks the bill cut programs for the most vulnerable, and thinks that Biden should have invoked the 14th Amendment to resolve the issue instead.
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wrote on 3 Jun 2023, 04:33 last edited by
That seems on-brand.
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wrote on 3 Jun 2023, 15:32 last edited by
If Biden vetoes the bill, I'd beat him about the political head and shoulders until he is bowed and bloody. And if one, repeat one Social Security check gets delayed, I'd pin it on him like the tail on the Democrat donkey.
It would be a helluva losing issue.
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wrote on 7 Jun 2023, 19:49 last edited by
Aftermath:
House conservatives choke floor action as revenge for debt deal
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A band of roughly a dozen firebrands, mostly in the Trump-aligned Freedom Caucus, are now working to derail senior Republicans’ plans to pass even widely popular party priorities on the floor this week.
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wrote on 7 Jun 2023, 20:21 last edited by
Ain't that somethin'?
