Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field
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commotio cordis
I've never heard that term, though I'm familiar with the physiology, and that's why I suggested it. It's an interesting phenomenon. There is a portion of the cardiac cycle, which is usually pretty robust, where an ill-timed beat can set off a cycle of arrhythmia - VT or VF. This ill-timed beat can occur without trauma - it can be "just one of those things" where a muscle fiber gets excited and decides to fire. While the rest of the heart is in the early stages of recovering its electrical cycle, this stimulus comes in at exactly the wrong tom and sets off a vicious cycle.
This "R on T" phenomenon (referring to the waves of an EKG) is something that should be treated with anti-arrhythmic drugs to prevent it from degenerating into something lethal.
An external stimulus, such as this, can cause such a premature beat, and the rest is history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commotio_cordis
The interesting thing is that this can occur more frequently with heart rates that are rapid (like with exercise).
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@George-K said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
Collapsed lung? That was a huge hit to the chest.If I had to guess, it was some kind of arrhythmia induced by the chest trauma.
Collapsed lung wouldn't be so sudden. This was like his heart just stopped (effectively) beating.
EDIT:
We cross-posted. AED use suggests V-tach or, more likely, V-fib.
But mechanical ventilation would indicate respiratory distress. Would V-tach or fib have respiratory consequences?
@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
But mechanical ventilation would indicate respiratory distress. Would V-tach or fib have respiratory consequences?
No, no immediate consequence, but if you have a period without adequate circulation, your brainstem isn't getting blood, and that's where the respiratory centers live.
They probably intubated him on the field (or in the ambulance) and used bag ventilation until transportation.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
But mechanical ventilation would indicate respiratory distress. Would V-tach or fib have respiratory consequences?
No, no immediate consequence, but if you have a period without adequate circulation, your brainstem isn't getting blood, and that's where the respiratory centers live.
They probably intubated him on the field (or in the ambulance) and used bag ventilation until transportation.
@George-K said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
But mechanical ventilation would indicate respiratory distress. Would V-tach or fib have respiratory consequences?
No, no immediate consequence, but if you have a period without adequate circulation, your brainstem isn't getting blood, and that's where the respiratory centers live.
They probably intubated him on the field (or in the ambulance) and used bag ventilation until transportation.
NFL teams have docs in the stadium. This is interesting...
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NFL says he is at UC Medical in critical condition.
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At this point I assume they are working through playoff scenarios with or without a result in this game.
And how to deal with ticket holders
And the bookies are scratching their heads.
There won't be any more football tonight
@Copper said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
At this point I assume they are working through playoff scenarios with or without a result in this game.
And how to deal with ticket holders
And the bookies are scratching their heads.
There won't be any more football tonight
On Twitter they would slam you for that post.
The Brad
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JJ Watt went into A-Fib this year and had to be shocked back into rhythm…https://www.nfl.com/news/cardinals-de-j-j-watt-says-his-heart-was-shocked-back-into-rhythm-on-thursday-wi
It makes me wonder if this occurs at a lesser extent more often than we realize?
The Brad
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JJ Watt went into A-Fib this year and had to be shocked back into rhythm…https://www.nfl.com/news/cardinals-de-j-j-watt-says-his-heart-was-shocked-back-into-rhythm-on-thursday-wi
It makes me wonder if this occurs at a lesser extent more often than we realize?
@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
JJ Watt went into A-Fib this year and had to be shocked back into rhythm
There's a huge difference between what happened last night and Watt's condition. About the only things they have in common are
- It involved the heart
- It involved an arrhythmia
- They were shocked out of the arrhythmia
The difference between AF and VF is like the difference between @jon-nyc playing the piano and @Klaus playing the piano. You decide which is which, of course.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
JJ Watt went into A-Fib this year and had to be shocked back into rhythm
There's a huge difference between what happened last night and Watt's condition. About the only things they have in common are
- It involved the heart
- It involved an arrhythmia
- They were shocked out of the arrhythmia
The difference between AF and VF is like the difference between @jon-nyc playing the piano and @Klaus playing the piano. You decide which is which, of course.
