Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field

[Jolly]

NFL says he is at UC Medical in critical condition.

[Copper]

At this point I assume they are working through playoff scenarios with or without a result in this game.

And how to deal with ticket holders

And the bookies are scratching their heads.

There won't be any more football tonight

[George K]

The question is how long he was without adequate CPR. That’ll play a huge role in prognosis.

[Mik]

@Jolly said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

NFL says he is at UC Medical in critical condition.

Yep. He’s at the right place. Level 1 tc.

[LuFins Dad]

@Copper said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

At this point I assume they are working through playoff scenarios with or without a result in this game.

And how to deal with ticket holders

And the bookies are scratching their heads.

There won't be any more football tonight

On Twitter they would slam you for that post.

[Mik]

From his marketing rep

[LuFins Dad]

JJ Watt went into A-Fib this year and had to be shocked back into rhythm…https://www.nfl.com/news/cardinals-de-j-j-watt-says-his-heart-was-shocked-back-into-rhythm-on-thursday-wi

It makes me wonder if this occurs at a lesser extent more often than we realize?

[jon-nyc]

[George K]

@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

JJ Watt went into A-Fib this year and had to be shocked back into rhythm

There's a huge difference between what happened last night and Watt's condition. About the only things they have in common are

1. It involved the heart
2. It involved an arrhythmia
3. They were shocked out of the arrhythmia

The difference between AF and VF is like the difference between @jon-nyc playing the piano and @Klaus playing the piano. You decide which is which, of course.

[Klaus]

@George-K ...

[George K]

@Klaus said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

@George-K ...

I judge not.

[Jolly]

AP says it was four minutes before the ambulance was on the field.

Some medical questions..

1. How long before CPR was administered?
2. Was an AED immediately available and was it used?
3. At what point after oxygen deprivation do we have permanent damage? As I understand it, the young man is still intubated.
4. How common is V-fib from chest trauma? It's not uncommon for players to get the wind knocked out of them or even to have a rare collapsed lung from a hit. And a few football players die every year, mostly in the high school ranks, from various causes, but I've never heard of this happening at the pro or college level, where the collisions are the most violent.

[Mik]

They did have a defib and used it on the field. It was only a few minutes before the ambulance was on the field. Not sure how long before CPR started. I suspect not long.

But the fact that he's still intubated and snowed in bodes ill.

[George K]

@Jolly said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

AP says it was four minutes before the ambulance was on the field.

Some medical questions..

1. How long before CPR was administered?

Unclear.

2. Was an AED immediately available and was it used?

I read that an AED was used, but no clue as to how long it took to use it.

3. At what point after oxygen deprivation do we have permanent damage? As I understand it, the young man is still intubated.

He could be sedated/ventilated for brain protection and also to see if any spontaneous recovery takes place.

4. How common is V-fib from chest trauma? It's not uncommon for players to get the wind knocked out of them or even to have a rare collapsed lung from a hit.

See the wikipedia link above for a nice explanation of incidence, particularly among younger victims.

Commotio cordis is a very rare event, but nonetheless is often considered when an athlete presents with sudden cardiac death. Some of the sports which have a risk for this cause of trauma are baseball, American football, association football (soccer), ice hockey, polo, rugby football, cricket, softball, pelota, fencing, lacrosse, boxing, professional wrestling, hurling and martial arts (see Touch of Death). Children are especially vulnerable, possibly due to the mechanical properties of their thoracic skeleton.[4] From 1996 to spring 2007, the USA National Commotio Cordis Registry had 188 cases recorded, with about half occurring during organized sports.[5] Almost all (96%) of the victims were male, the mean age of the victims during that period was 14.7 years, and fewer than one in five survived the incident.[

[LuFins Dad]

Sounds like that 1 in a billion occurrence where the wrong guy got hit at the wrong place at the very worst possible microsecond….

[George K]

@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

at the very worst possible microsecond

Milliseconds, but I take your point.

[LuFins Dad]

Is it too early to discuss repercussions to the game in general and this season in particular?

[Horace]

@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

Is it too early to discuss repercussions to the game in general and this season in particular?

Maybe it would be ok to talk about NFC games this soon, but I believe a young man's life is more important than any AFC playoff implications.

[Mik]

@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

Is it too early to discuss repercussions to the game in general and this season in particular?

I don't think it is. Suspending the game last night was the right thing to do, but a decision still has to be made how to move forward.

There's no real time to rejigger the schedule. Given that, it is difficult to see what a fair option would be. It would not surprise me if they simply declared the Bengals the winner since they were ahead at the time. They could also declare a tie and adjust somehow in home field advantage or seeding.

[Mik]

@Horace said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

Is it too early to discuss repercussions to the game in general and this season in particular?

Maybe it would be ok to talk about NFC games this soon, but I believe a young man's life is more important than any AFC playoff implications.

What can be done for Damar is being done. The hard fact is life goes on.