Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field
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@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
But mechanical ventilation would indicate respiratory distress. Would V-tach or fib have respiratory consequences?
No, no immediate consequence, but if you have a period without adequate circulation, your brainstem isn't getting blood, and that's where the respiratory centers live.
They probably intubated him on the field (or in the ambulance) and used bag ventilation until transportation.
@George-K said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
But mechanical ventilation would indicate respiratory distress. Would V-tach or fib have respiratory consequences?
No, no immediate consequence, but if you have a period without adequate circulation, your brainstem isn't getting blood, and that's where the respiratory centers live.
They probably intubated him on the field (or in the ambulance) and used bag ventilation until transportation.
NFL teams have docs in the stadium. This is interesting...
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NFL says he is at UC Medical in critical condition.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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At this point I assume they are working through playoff scenarios with or without a result in this game.
And how to deal with ticket holders
And the bookies are scratching their heads.
There won't be any more football tonight
@Copper said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
At this point I assume they are working through playoff scenarios with or without a result in this game.
And how to deal with ticket holders
And the bookies are scratching their heads.
There won't be any more football tonight
On Twitter they would slam you for that post.
The Brad
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JJ Watt went into A-Fib this year and had to be shocked back into rhythm…https://www.nfl.com/news/cardinals-de-j-j-watt-says-his-heart-was-shocked-back-into-rhythm-on-thursday-wi
It makes me wonder if this occurs at a lesser extent more often than we realize?
The Brad
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JJ Watt went into A-Fib this year and had to be shocked back into rhythm…https://www.nfl.com/news/cardinals-de-j-j-watt-says-his-heart-was-shocked-back-into-rhythm-on-thursday-wi
It makes me wonder if this occurs at a lesser extent more often than we realize?
@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
JJ Watt went into A-Fib this year and had to be shocked back into rhythm
There's a huge difference between what happened last night and Watt's condition. About the only things they have in common are
- It involved the heart
- It involved an arrhythmia
- They were shocked out of the arrhythmia
The difference between AF and VF is like the difference between @jon-nyc playing the piano and @Klaus playing the piano. You decide which is which, of course.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
JJ Watt went into A-Fib this year and had to be shocked back into rhythm
There's a huge difference between what happened last night and Watt's condition. About the only things they have in common are
- It involved the heart
- It involved an arrhythmia
- They were shocked out of the arrhythmia
The difference between AF and VF is like the difference between @jon-nyc playing the piano and @Klaus playing the piano. You decide which is which, of course.
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AP says it was four minutes before the ambulance was on the field.
Some medical questions..
- How long before CPR was administered?
- Was an AED immediately available and was it used?
- At what point after oxygen deprivation do we have permanent damage? As I understand it, the young man is still intubated.
- How common is V-fib from chest trauma? It's not uncommon for players to get the wind knocked out of them or even to have a rare collapsed lung from a hit. And a few football players die every year, mostly in the high school ranks, from various causes, but I've never heard of this happening at the pro or college level, where the collisions are the most violent.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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AP says it was four minutes before the ambulance was on the field.
Some medical questions..
- How long before CPR was administered?
- Was an AED immediately available and was it used?
- At what point after oxygen deprivation do we have permanent damage? As I understand it, the young man is still intubated.
- How common is V-fib from chest trauma? It's not uncommon for players to get the wind knocked out of them or even to have a rare collapsed lung from a hit. And a few football players die every year, mostly in the high school ranks, from various causes, but I've never heard of this happening at the pro or college level, where the collisions are the most violent.
@Jolly said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
AP says it was four minutes before the ambulance was on the field.
Some medical questions..
- How long before CPR was administered?
Unclear.
- Was an AED immediately available and was it used?
I read that an AED was used, but no clue as to how long it took to use it.
- At what point after oxygen deprivation do we have permanent damage? As I understand it, the young man is still intubated.
He could be sedated/ventilated for brain protection and also to see if any spontaneous recovery takes place.
- How common is V-fib from chest trauma? It's not uncommon for players to get the wind knocked out of them or even to have a rare collapsed lung from a hit.
See the wikipedia link above for a nice explanation of incidence, particularly among younger victims.
Commotio cordis is a very rare event, but nonetheless is often considered when an athlete presents with sudden cardiac death. Some of the sports which have a risk for this cause of trauma are baseball, American football, association football (soccer), ice hockey, polo, rugby football, cricket, softball, pelota, fencing, lacrosse, boxing, professional wrestling, hurling and martial arts (see Touch of Death). Children are especially vulnerable, possibly due to the mechanical properties of their thoracic skeleton.[4] From 1996 to spring 2007, the USA National Commotio Cordis Registry had 188 cases recorded, with about half occurring during organized sports.[5] Almost all (96%) of the victims were male, the mean age of the victims during that period was 14.7 years, and fewer than one in five survived the incident.[
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Sounds like that 1 in a billion occurrence where the wrong guy got hit at the wrong place at the very worst possible microsecond….
