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  • HoraceH Offline
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    Horace
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    #9

    I've heard of that happening in hockey when someone takes a puck to the heart.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
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      The game is no longer important. Kudos to the coaches for pulling their teams off of the field.

      If the young man is not okay, Goodell would be a soulless monster to make the teams finish the game.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • MikM Away
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        #11

        He would do well to remember the reaction when Marge Schott wanted the game to continue after the umpire dropped dead on the field. It wasn’t pleasant.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • George KG George K

          @LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

          Collapsed lung? That was a huge hit to the chest.

          If I had to guess, it was some kind of arrhythmia induced by the chest trauma.

          Collapsed lung wouldn't be so sudden. This was like his heart just stopped (effectively) beating.

          EDIT:

          We cross-posted. AED use suggests V-tach or, more likely, V-fib.

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          #12

          @George-K said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

          @LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

          Collapsed lung? That was a huge hit to the chest.
          

          If I had to guess, it was some kind of arrhythmia induced by the chest trauma.

          Collapsed lung wouldn't be so sudden. This was like his heart just stopped (effectively) beating.

          EDIT:

          We cross-posted. AED use suggests V-tach or, more likely, V-fib.

          But mechanical ventilation would indicate respiratory distress. Would V-tach or fib have respiratory consequences?

          The Brad

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
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            commotio cordis

            I've never heard that term, though I'm familiar with the physiology, and that's why I suggested it. It's an interesting phenomenon. There is a portion of the cardiac cycle, which is usually pretty robust, where an ill-timed beat can set off a cycle of arrhythmia - VT or VF. This ill-timed beat can occur without trauma - it can be "just one of those things" where a muscle fiber gets excited and decides to fire. While the rest of the heart is in the early stages of recovering its electrical cycle, this stimulus comes in at exactly the wrong tom and sets off a vicious cycle.

            This "R on T" phenomenon (referring to the waves of an EKG) is something that should be treated with anti-arrhythmic drugs to prevent it from degenerating into something lethal.

            An external stimulus, such as this, can cause such a premature beat, and the rest is history.

            Commotio_Cordis_Risk_Zone.jpg

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commotio_cordis

            The interesting thing is that this can occur more frequently with heart rates that are rapid (like with exercise).

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

              @George-K said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

              @LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

              Collapsed lung? That was a huge hit to the chest.
              

              If I had to guess, it was some kind of arrhythmia induced by the chest trauma.

              Collapsed lung wouldn't be so sudden. This was like his heart just stopped (effectively) beating.

              EDIT:

              We cross-posted. AED use suggests V-tach or, more likely, V-fib.

              But mechanical ventilation would indicate respiratory distress. Would V-tach or fib have respiratory consequences?

              George KG Offline
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              George K
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              #14

              @LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

              But mechanical ventilation would indicate respiratory distress. Would V-tach or fib have respiratory consequences?

              No, no immediate consequence, but if you have a period without adequate circulation, your brainstem isn't getting blood, and that's where the respiratory centers live.

              They probably intubated him on the field (or in the ambulance) and used bag ventilation until transportation.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • MikM Away
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                Mik
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                I believe they did intubate him.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • MikM Away
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                  Mik
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                  #16

                  Concerned how Tee Higgins feels. He was the receiver Hamlin was tackling.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • George KG George K

                    @LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                    But mechanical ventilation would indicate respiratory distress. Would V-tach or fib have respiratory consequences?

                    No, no immediate consequence, but if you have a period without adequate circulation, your brainstem isn't getting blood, and that's where the respiratory centers live.

                    They probably intubated him on the field (or in the ambulance) and used bag ventilation until transportation.

                    JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
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                    #17

                    @George-K said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                    @LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                    But mechanical ventilation would indicate respiratory distress. Would V-tach or fib have respiratory consequences?

                    No, no immediate consequence, but if you have a period without adequate circulation, your brainstem isn't getting blood, and that's where the respiratory centers live.

                    They probably intubated him on the field (or in the ambulance) and used bag ventilation until transportation.

                    NFL teams have docs in the stadium. This is interesting...

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                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • MikM Mik

                      Concerned how Tee Higgins feels. He was the receiver Hamlin was tackling.

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                      @Mik said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                      Concerned how Tee Higgins feels. He was the receiver Hamlin was tackling.

                      The play looked ok to me, I didn't see anything like a dirty hit.

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                      • JollyJ Offline
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                        Jolly
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                        #19

                        They're picking up equipment...

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • MikM Away
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                          Mik
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                          The league just needs to cancel the damn game.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            #21

                            They have postponed the game for tonight.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              wrote on last edited by
                              #22

                              NFL says he is at UC Medical in critical condition.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                Copper
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                                #23

                                At this point I assume they are working through playoff scenarios with or without a result in this game.

                                And how to deal with ticket holders

                                And the bookies are scratching their heads.

                                There won't be any more football tonight

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                                  George K
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                                  The question is how long he was without adequate CPR. That’ll play a huge role in prognosis.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    NFL says he is at UC Medical in critical condition.

                                    MikM Away
                                    MikM Away
                                    Mik
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #25

                                    @Jolly said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                                    NFL says he is at UC Medical in critical condition.

                                    Yep. He’s at the right place. Level 1 tc.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • CopperC Copper

                                      At this point I assume they are working through playoff scenarios with or without a result in this game.

                                      And how to deal with ticket holders

                                      And the bookies are scratching their heads.

                                      There won't be any more football tonight

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                                      @Copper said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                                      At this point I assume they are working through playoff scenarios with or without a result in this game.

                                      And how to deal with ticket holders

                                      And the bookies are scratching their heads.

                                      There won't be any more football tonight

                                      On Twitter they would slam you for that post.

                                      The Brad

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                                      • MikM Away
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                                        Mik
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                                        From his marketing rep

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                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          JJ Watt went into A-Fib this year and had to be shocked back into rhythm…https://www.nfl.com/news/cardinals-de-j-j-watt-says-his-heart-was-shocked-back-into-rhythm-on-thursday-wi

                                          It makes me wonder if this occurs at a lesser extent more often than we realize?

                                          The Brad

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