Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field
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@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
Collapsed lung? That was a huge hit to the chest.
If I had to guess, it was some kind of arrhythmia induced by the chest trauma.
Collapsed lung wouldn't be so sudden. This was like his heart just stopped (effectively) beating.
EDIT:
We cross-posted. AED use suggests V-tach or, more likely, V-fib.
wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 02:40 last edited by@George-K said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
Collapsed lung? That was a huge hit to the chest.If I had to guess, it was some kind of arrhythmia induced by the chest trauma.
Collapsed lung wouldn't be so sudden. This was like his heart just stopped (effectively) beating.
EDIT:
We cross-posted. AED use suggests V-tach or, more likely, V-fib.
But mechanical ventilation would indicate respiratory distress. Would V-tach or fib have respiratory consequences?
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wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 02:41 last edited by
commotio cordis
I've never heard that term, though I'm familiar with the physiology, and that's why I suggested it. It's an interesting phenomenon. There is a portion of the cardiac cycle, which is usually pretty robust, where an ill-timed beat can set off a cycle of arrhythmia - VT or VF. This ill-timed beat can occur without trauma - it can be "just one of those things" where a muscle fiber gets excited and decides to fire. While the rest of the heart is in the early stages of recovering its electrical cycle, this stimulus comes in at exactly the wrong tom and sets off a vicious cycle.
This "R on T" phenomenon (referring to the waves of an EKG) is something that should be treated with anti-arrhythmic drugs to prevent it from degenerating into something lethal.
An external stimulus, such as this, can cause such a premature beat, and the rest is history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commotio_cordis
The interesting thing is that this can occur more frequently with heart rates that are rapid (like with exercise).
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@George-K said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
Collapsed lung? That was a huge hit to the chest.If I had to guess, it was some kind of arrhythmia induced by the chest trauma.
Collapsed lung wouldn't be so sudden. This was like his heart just stopped (effectively) beating.
EDIT:
We cross-posted. AED use suggests V-tach or, more likely, V-fib.
But mechanical ventilation would indicate respiratory distress. Would V-tach or fib have respiratory consequences?
wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 02:43 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
But mechanical ventilation would indicate respiratory distress. Would V-tach or fib have respiratory consequences?
No, no immediate consequence, but if you have a period without adequate circulation, your brainstem isn't getting blood, and that's where the respiratory centers live.
They probably intubated him on the field (or in the ambulance) and used bag ventilation until transportation.
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wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 02:45 last edited by
I believe they did intubate him.
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wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 02:47 last edited by
Concerned how Tee Higgins feels. He was the receiver Hamlin was tackling.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
But mechanical ventilation would indicate respiratory distress. Would V-tach or fib have respiratory consequences?
No, no immediate consequence, but if you have a period without adequate circulation, your brainstem isn't getting blood, and that's where the respiratory centers live.
They probably intubated him on the field (or in the ambulance) and used bag ventilation until transportation.
wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 02:47 last edited by@George-K said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
But mechanical ventilation would indicate respiratory distress. Would V-tach or fib have respiratory consequences?
No, no immediate consequence, but if you have a period without adequate circulation, your brainstem isn't getting blood, and that's where the respiratory centers live.
They probably intubated him on the field (or in the ambulance) and used bag ventilation until transportation.
NFL teams have docs in the stadium. This is interesting...
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wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 02:50 last edited by
@Mik said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
Concerned how Tee Higgins feels. He was the receiver Hamlin was tackling.
The play looked ok to me, I didn't see anything like a dirty hit.
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wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 02:54 last edited by
They're picking up equipment...
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wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 03:00 last edited by
The league just needs to cancel the damn game.
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wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 03:05 last edited by
They have postponed the game for tonight.
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wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 03:06 last edited by
NFL says he is at UC Medical in critical condition.
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wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 03:11 last edited by
At this point I assume they are working through playoff scenarios with or without a result in this game.
And how to deal with ticket holders
And the bookies are scratching their heads.
There won't be any more football tonight
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wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 03:11 last edited by
The question is how long he was without adequate CPR. That’ll play a huge role in prognosis.
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wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 03:15 last edited by
@Jolly said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
NFL says he is at UC Medical in critical condition.
Yep. He’s at the right place. Level 1 tc.
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At this point I assume they are working through playoff scenarios with or without a result in this game.
And how to deal with ticket holders
And the bookies are scratching their heads.
There won't be any more football tonight
wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 03:46 last edited by@Copper said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
At this point I assume they are working through playoff scenarios with or without a result in this game.
And how to deal with ticket holders
And the bookies are scratching their heads.
There won't be any more football tonight
On Twitter they would slam you for that post.
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wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 03:49 last edited by
From his marketing rep
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wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 03:56 last edited by
JJ Watt went into A-Fib this year and had to be shocked back into rhythm…https://www.nfl.com/news/cardinals-de-j-j-watt-says-his-heart-was-shocked-back-into-rhythm-on-thursday-wi
It makes me wonder if this occurs at a lesser extent more often than we realize?
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wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 12:21 last edited by
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JJ Watt went into A-Fib this year and had to be shocked back into rhythm…https://www.nfl.com/news/cardinals-de-j-j-watt-says-his-heart-was-shocked-back-into-rhythm-on-thursday-wi
It makes me wonder if this occurs at a lesser extent more often than we realize?
wrote on 3 Jan 2023, 13:15 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
JJ Watt went into A-Fib this year and had to be shocked back into rhythm
There's a huge difference between what happened last night and Watt's condition. About the only things they have in common are
- It involved the heart
- It involved an arrhythmia
- They were shocked out of the arrhythmia
The difference between AF and VF is like the difference between @jon-nyc playing the piano and @Klaus playing the piano. You decide which is which, of course.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:
JJ Watt went into A-Fib this year and had to be shocked back into rhythm
There's a huge difference between what happened last night and Watt's condition. About the only things they have in common are
- It involved the heart
- It involved an arrhythmia
- They were shocked out of the arrhythmia
The difference between AF and VF is like the difference between @jon-nyc playing the piano and @Klaus playing the piano. You decide which is which, of course.