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My next piano??

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    George K
    wrote on 16 May 2023, 12:55 last edited by
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    Pianoteq for iOS is out. You can use your existing license to activate it.

    https://www.pianoteq.fr

    Not sure if it'll gain much use in my house. Mrs. George's old MacBook Air is sitting on my Roland, and that's the only thing that laptop is used for.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      mark
      wrote on 26 May 2024, 23:53 last edited by
      #123

      Resurrecting this thread.

      Casually shopping for a digital piano.

      Don't need or want a cabinet. Stage/Slab is fine and I found a Yamaha I think I can live with. P-515 or P525. They both have an optional very sturdy stand and three pedal option.

      Action feels good and the entire unit feels sturdy and well built.

      I can get a demo B-stock 515 for $1,399 and the 525 for $1,499. Plus $349 for the upgraded stand and pedals. So $1750/$1850 plus IL sales tax.

      I currently have a CVP-105 that still works but I do not like the action. Was offered $100 trade lol. I can actually live with that as I do not want to reassemble it or invite strangers into my home just to get a couple hundred more for it.

      What say all you experts here?

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        George K
        wrote on 27 May 2024, 00:05 last edited by
        #124

        Paraphrasing Duke Ellington: "If it feels good, it IS good."

        If you like the action, that's the first step. Ignore the sound, you can always update with a cheapo laptop, PianoTeq and some speakers.

        The Roland HP704 is down to $2900 at GuitarCenter. If you're happy with the lack of a cabinet, you can get the same mechanism and add a stand for a bit less.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          George K
          wrote on 27 May 2024, 00:07 last edited by
          #125

          BTW, the Yamahas I looked at were nice, but just didn't "move" me.

          The 10 year in-home Roland warranty was another factor. It expires when I'm 83 years old, so there's that.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Horace
            wrote on 27 May 2024, 00:11 last edited by
            #126

            I won't go back from my PianoTeq Petrof Mistral. I guess, from there it's a matter of finding an action you like. I have a low end but good one with my Roland FP-10.

            Education is extremely important.

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              kluurs
              wrote on 27 May 2024, 00:19 last edited by
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              I did a lot of auditioning - but all of it was on cabinet focused instruments - ended up with the HP704 - which I've now had for about 18 months. I went cheaper prior with a high end Casio - but the action wasn't suitable. The 10 year warranty was a big plus for the Roland. George and I are fussy consumers, but LD is the expert.

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                Horace
                wrote on 27 May 2024, 00:23 last edited by
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                LD thinks the quality of a performance of classical piano music depends on how well the performer adheres to the score.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • H Horace
                  27 May 2024, 00:11

                  I won't go back from my PianoTeq Petrof Mistral. I guess, from there it's a matter of finding an action you like. I have a low end but good one with my Roland FP-10.

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                  George K
                  wrote on 27 May 2024, 00:24 last edited by
                  #129

                  @Horace said in My next piano??:

                  Roland FP-10

                  Is that the same action as the 704?

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • G George K
                    27 May 2024, 00:24

                    @Horace said in My next piano??:

                    Roland FP-10

                    Is that the same action as the 704?

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                    Horace
                    wrote on 27 May 2024, 00:27 last edited by
                    #130

                    @George-K said in My next piano??:

                    @Horace said in My next piano??:

                    Roland FP-10

                    Is that the same action as the 704?

                    No, the FP-10 has Roland's entry level PHA-4 action, and the 704 has the PHA-50. I guess there's a "pivot length" difference, maybe among other things. My action clicks a lot, which is the main drawback to me. But I haven't had experience with their better actions, and may not know what I'm missing. I think practice on a PHA-4 transfers adequately to any piano, that's the important thing.

                    Education is extremely important.

                    G LuFins DadL 2 Replies Last reply 27 May 2024, 00:31
                    • H Horace
                      27 May 2024, 00:27

                      @George-K said in My next piano??:

                      @Horace said in My next piano??:

                      Roland FP-10

                      Is that the same action as the 704?

                      No, the FP-10 has Roland's entry level PHA-4 action, and the 704 has the PHA-50. I guess there's a "pivot length" difference, maybe among other things. My action clicks a lot, which is the main drawback to me. But I haven't had experience with their better actions, and may not know what I'm missing. I think practice on a PHA-4 transfers adequately to any piano, that's the important thing.

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                      George K
                      wrote on 27 May 2024, 00:31 last edited by
                      #131

                      @Horace said in My next piano??:

                      I think practice on a PHA-4 transfers adequately to any piano, that's the important thing.

                      Right - if you're not offended, it'll be "good enough."

                      Also, if you have a "real" piano...well, that's sort of the point. @mark has a very nice Estonia (which I've touched), so your point is well-taken.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • H Horace
                        27 May 2024, 00:27

                        @George-K said in My next piano??:

                        @Horace said in My next piano??:

                        Roland FP-10

                        Is that the same action as the 704?

                        No, the FP-10 has Roland's entry level PHA-4 action, and the 704 has the PHA-50. I guess there's a "pivot length" difference, maybe among other things. My action clicks a lot, which is the main drawback to me. But I haven't had experience with their better actions, and may not know what I'm missing. I think practice on a PHA-4 transfers adequately to any piano, that's the important thing.

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                        LuFins Dad
                        wrote on 27 May 2024, 00:50 last edited by
                        #132

                        @Horace said in My next piano??:

                        @George-K said in My next piano??:

                        @Horace said in My next piano??:

                        Roland FP-10

                        Is that the same action as the 704?

                        No, the FP-10 has Roland's entry level PHA-4 action, and the 704 has the PHA-50. I guess there's a "pivot length" difference, maybe among other things. My action clicks a lot, which is the main drawback to me. But I haven't had experience with their better actions, and may not know what I'm missing. I think practice on a PHA-4 transfers adequately to any piano, that's the important thing.

                        PHA4 is good enough. You still need an acoustic.

                        The Brad

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                          kluurs
                          wrote on 27 May 2024, 01:44 last edited by
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                          There’s an FP10 that was bought in January that they’re selling for $450 on FB Marketplace

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                            Copper
                            wrote on 27 May 2024, 01:54 last edited by
                            #134

                            EBay, good prices on New and Open Box

                            https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=fp-10&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH_ItemCondition=3

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                              Horace
                              wrote on 27 May 2024, 01:58 last edited by
                              #135

                              yeah Roland made a deal with Costco, they were available on the floor at $550 after discounts. The ACR is the branded one Costco bulk purchased. FP-10 hardware with slightly modified firmware, different voices I think.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                kluurs
                                wrote on 27 May 2024, 02:51 last edited by
                                #136

                                Better deal
                                https://www.facebook.com/share/WmVVguR1qP58WFAu/?mibextid=79PoIi

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                                  mark
                                  wrote on 27 May 2024, 03:39 last edited by
                                  #137

                                  I'm looking for higher quality more stable with 3 pedals. I tried an FP-30 and vastly preferred the Yamaha P515/525 series build, pedals and action.

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                                    mark
                                    wrote on 27 May 2024, 03:42 last edited by
                                    #138

                                    I know it's a lot more money vs the FP10/30 but, we like what we like. I haven't played the HP704 yet. I might have to visit George and Ken soon. 😉

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                                    • M mark
                                      27 May 2024, 03:42

                                      I know it's a lot more money vs the FP10/30 but, we like what we like. I haven't played the HP704 yet. I might have to visit George and Ken soon. 😉

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                                      kluurs
                                      wrote on 27 May 2024, 04:28 last edited by
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                                      @mark said in My next piano??:

                                      I know it's a lot more money vs the FP10/30 but, we like what we like. I haven't played the HP704 yet. I might have to visit George and Ken soon. 😉

                                      Come on down.

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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on 27 May 2024, 11:13 last edited by
                                        #140

                                        Wish we could have sampled some Rolands, but nobody in the area had one that met our criteria.

                                        Just submitted the paperwork for three of these:

                                        https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/pianos/clavinova/clp-745/index.html

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          mark
                                          wrote on 27 May 2024, 12:38 last edited by
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                                          Those are sweet Yamaha models.

                                          I don't want to go that high end.

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