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Roe & Casey overturned.

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #201

    The rules regarding HOV lanes probably already took into account parents with kids (where “carpooling” isn’t saving any vehicle traffic) and perhaps even married spouses or family members.

    If not it was sloppy law writing to begin with. The intent of the law is to reward groups who reduce vehicle traffic. You can never target that with perfect precision, but you can do better than “mom with child” or “mom with fetus” gets to use the HOV lanes.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      The rules regarding HOV lanes probably already took into account parents with kids (where “carpooling” isn’t saving any vehicle traffic) and perhaps even married spouses or family members.

      If not it was sloppy law writing to begin with. The intent of the law is to reward groups who reduce vehicle traffic. You can never target that with perfect precision, but you can do better than “mom with child” or “mom with fetus” gets to use the HOV lanes.

      LuFins DadL Offline
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      LuFins Dad
      wrote on last edited by
      #202

      @jon-nyc said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

      The rules regarding HOV lanes probably already took into account parents with kids (where “carpooling” isn’t saving any vehicle traffic) and perhaps even married spouses or family members.

      If not it was sloppy law writing to begin with. The intent of the law is to reward groups who reduce vehicle traffic. You can never target that with perfect precision, but you can do better than “mom with child” or “mom with fetus” gets to use the HOV lanes.

      Actually, babies and children do count as passengers for HOV lanes in all 50 states. I wasn’t expecting it when I looked it up. I had a completely different post in mind…

      The Brad

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      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

        @jon-nyc said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

        The rules regarding HOV lanes probably already took into account parents with kids (where “carpooling” isn’t saving any vehicle traffic) and perhaps even married spouses or family members.

        If not it was sloppy law writing to begin with. The intent of the law is to reward groups who reduce vehicle traffic. You can never target that with perfect precision, but you can do better than “mom with child” or “mom with fetus” gets to use the HOV lanes.

        Actually, babies and children do count as passengers for HOV lanes in all 50 states. I wasn’t expecting it when I looked it up. I had a completely different post in mind…

        jon-nycJ Offline
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        jon-nyc
        wrote on last edited by
        #203

        @LuFins-Dad

        I allowed for the possibility but it's badly written law. The point is to reward behavior that results in fewer cars on the road.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • HoraceH Online
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          Horace
          wrote on last edited by
          #204

          There is something to be said for simplicity and ease of enforcement in a law.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • CopperC Online
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            Copper
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            #205

            I regularly used the I-66 HOV lanes, solo, to go from Tysons to Reagan National to catch the Shuttle to LaGuardia. It was early 80's, not a lot of high-tech surveillance.

            I was always late and in a hurry. I never got caught.

            This was a good use of simplicity and ease of enforcement.

            LuFins DadL MikM 2 Replies Last reply
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              #206

              In Indonesia, Jakarta (the capital city) has a minimum # of people in the car coming into the city during the morning rush hour.

              There would always be street kids that you could pick up and pay them maybe USD$0.50 to ride with you into town so that you had enough people in your car.

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              • CopperC Copper

                I regularly used the I-66 HOV lanes, solo, to go from Tysons to Reagan National to catch the Shuttle to LaGuardia. It was early 80's, not a lot of high-tech surveillance.

                I was always late and in a hurry. I never got caught.

                This was a good use of simplicity and ease of enforcement.

                LuFins DadL Offline
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                LuFins Dad
                wrote on last edited by
                #207

                @Copper said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                I regularly used the I-66 HOV lanes, solo, to go from Tysons to Reagan National to catch the Shuttle to LaGuardia. It was early 80's, not a lot of high-tech surveillance.

                I was always late and in a hurry. I never got caught.

                This was a good use of simplicity and ease of enforcement.

                When 66 became a Dynamic Toll Road a few years back, I became a Lyft Driver. Anytime I needed to go into DC I would turn on the directional filters and pick up a rider going into town. I got the HOV toll exemption and made gas money:..

                The Brad

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  @Copper said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                  I regularly used the I-66 HOV lanes, solo, to go from Tysons to Reagan National to catch the Shuttle to LaGuardia. It was early 80's, not a lot of high-tech surveillance.

                  I was always late and in a hurry. I never got caught.

                  This was a good use of simplicity and ease of enforcement.

                  When 66 became a Dynamic Toll Road a few years back, I became a Lyft Driver. Anytime I needed to go into DC I would turn on the directional filters and pick up a rider going into town. I got the HOV toll exemption and made gas money:..

                  89th8 Offline
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                  @LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                  When 66 became a Dynamic Toll Road a few years back

                  This is when my decision to move to another state became a little bit easier. The fact that toll roads are popping up everywhere instead of our tax money being used for the most basic of infrastructure needs... our roads. It's both incompatible with the philosophy of taxation as well as admittedly a bit of a class warfare where those without much money cannot afford to take certain roads.

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                  • 89th8 89th

                    @LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                    When 66 became a Dynamic Toll Road a few years back

                    This is when my decision to move to another state became a little bit easier. The fact that toll roads are popping up everywhere instead of our tax money being used for the most basic of infrastructure needs... our roads. It's both incompatible with the philosophy of taxation as well as admittedly a bit of a class warfare where those without much money cannot afford to take certain roads.

                    CopperC Online
                    CopperC Online
                    Copper
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                    #209

                    @89th said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                    @LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                    When 66 became a Dynamic Toll Road a few years back

                    This is when my decision to move to another state became a little bit easier. The fact that toll roads are popping up everywhere instead of our tax money being used for the most basic of infrastructure needs... our roads. It's both incompatible with the philosophy of taxation as well as admittedly a bit of a class warfare where those without much money cannot afford to take certain roads.

                    You know the worst part of that? They told us that as soon as the cost of the Dulles Toll Road was collected they would remove the toll booths.

                    Then they recovered the cost so fast they couldn't believe it. And they decided there was no way they would stop that huge money stream. If you don't like it, too bad, go take Route 7.

                    And of course most of the rest of the country gets free Interstate Highways, why should Fairfax County get nickel and dimed to death?

                    I really hate those toll roads.

                    MikM 1 Reply Last reply
                    • CopperC Copper

                      I regularly used the I-66 HOV lanes, solo, to go from Tysons to Reagan National to catch the Shuttle to LaGuardia. It was early 80's, not a lot of high-tech surveillance.

                      I was always late and in a hurry. I never got caught.

                      This was a good use of simplicity and ease of enforcement.

                      MikM Offline
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                      #210

                      @Copper said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                      I regularly used the I-66 HOV lanes, solo, to go from Tysons to Reagan National to catch the Shuttle to LaGuardia. It was early 80's, not a lot of high-tech surveillance.

                      I was always late and in a hurry. I never got caught.

                      This was a good use of simplicity and ease of enforcement.

                      I used to use it in LA when I drove a stake truck all over the LA-Orange County area delivering hospital forms. Got caught once, it was $10. Meh.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • CopperC Copper

                        @89th said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                        @LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                        When 66 became a Dynamic Toll Road a few years back

                        This is when my decision to move to another state became a little bit easier. The fact that toll roads are popping up everywhere instead of our tax money being used for the most basic of infrastructure needs... our roads. It's both incompatible with the philosophy of taxation as well as admittedly a bit of a class warfare where those without much money cannot afford to take certain roads.

                        You know the worst part of that? They told us that as soon as the cost of the Dulles Toll Road was collected they would remove the toll booths.

                        Then they recovered the cost so fast they couldn't believe it. And they decided there was no way they would stop that huge money stream. If you don't like it, too bad, go take Route 7.

                        And of course most of the rest of the country gets free Interstate Highways, why should Fairfax County get nickel and dimed to death?

                        I really hate those toll roads.

                        MikM Offline
                        MikM Offline
                        Mik
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #211

                        @Copper said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                        @89th said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                        @LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                        When 66 became a Dynamic Toll Road a few years back

                        This is when my decision to move to another state became a little bit easier. The fact that toll roads are popping up everywhere instead of our tax money being used for the most basic of infrastructure needs... our roads. It's both incompatible with the philosophy of taxation as well as admittedly a bit of a class warfare where those without much money cannot afford to take certain roads.

                        You know the worst part of that? They told us that as soon as the cost of the Dulles Toll Road was collected they would remove the toll booths.

                        Then they recovered the cost so fast they couldn't believe it. And they decided there was no way they would stop that huge money stream. If you don't like it, too bad, go take Route 7.

                        And of course most of the rest of the country gets free Interstate Highways, why should Fairfax County get nickel and dimed to death?

                        I really hate those toll roads.

                        It's to get those freeloading EV bastards.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          Jolly
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                          The. Most. Thread. Drift. Ever.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            The. Most. Thread. Drift. Ever.

                            jon-nycJ Offline
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                            jon-nyc
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                            @Jolly said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                            The. Most. Thread. Drift. Ever.

                            Remember many years ago we would joke about how so many threads would devolve into evolution or abortion threads?

                            Now the abortion threads devolve into HOV gaming.

                            We’re getting soft.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                            • CopperC Online
                              CopperC Online
                              Copper
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #214

                              Now that you mention it, could a pregnant person count the unborn as a passenger in the HOV lane if she was on her way to have an abortion?

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                              • CopperC Copper

                                Now that you mention it, could a pregnant person count the unborn as a passenger in the HOV lane if she was on her way to have an abortion?

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                                @Copper said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                Now that you mention it, could a pregnant person count the unborn as a passenger in the HOV lane if she was on her way to have an abortion?

                                Probably, but not on the way home...

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • CopperC Copper

                                  Now that you mention it, could a pregnant person count the unborn as a passenger in the HOV lane if she was on her way to have an abortion?

                                  HoraceH Online
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                                  Horace
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                                  #216

                                  @Copper said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                  Now that you mention it, could a pregnant person count the unborn as a passenger in the HOV lane if she was on her way to have an abortion?

                                  He or she or they.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    #217

                                    Or ze, bigot.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

                                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      @Jolly said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                      The. Most. Thread. Drift. Ever.

                                      Remember many years ago we would joke about how so many threads would devolve into evolution or abortion threads?

                                      Now the abortion threads devolve into HOV gaming.

                                      We’re getting soft.

                                      JollyJ Offline
                                      JollyJ Offline
                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #218

                                      @jon-nyc said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                      @Jolly said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                      The. Most. Thread. Drift. Ever.

                                      Remember many years ago we would joke about how so many threads would devolve into evolution or abortion threads?

                                      Now the abortion threads devolve into HOV gaming.

                                      We’re getting soft.

                                      If you wish to talk about your sexual problems, start a new thread.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • George KG Offline
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                                        George K
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                                        #219

                                        What? Someone lied?

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          What? Someone lied?

                                          LuFins DadL Offline
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                                          #220

                                          @George-K said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                          What? Someone lied?

                                          Huh, who woulda thunk it? @Axtremus ? Would you have thunk it?

                                          The Brad

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