Roe & Casey overturned.
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@Horace said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
Basically it’s projection about the court having an ideology and working towards a ruling from there. No reflection that that might be what Roe V Wade was.
One of the more interesting comments about the ruling is that the basic difference between the "two wings" of SCOTUS is that one wing judges on what the law should be, whereas the other one judges on what the law actually is.
Perhaps an overly simplistic view, but it got my attention.
wrote on 10 Jul 2022, 04:03 last edited by@George-K said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
@Horace said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
Basically it’s projection about the court having an ideology and working towards a ruling from there. No reflection that that might be what Roe V Wade was.
One of the more interesting comments about the ruling is that the basic difference between the "two wings" of SCOTUS is that one wing judges on what the law should be, whereas the other one judges on what the law actually is.
Perhaps an overly simplistic view, but it got my attention.
I imagine the two sides of the court as lawyers arguing cases for their client. Each side of the culture war is a client. Their lawyers on the Supreme Court fashion their constitutional case as well as they can, but the assumption going into it is that they know who their client is, and therefore which side they’re arguing.
Once in a while judges use their prerogative to switch sides on a case, but with cases where progressives want new law to support their ideology, which is what Roe always was, I suspect the divisions will be exactly as predicted.
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wrote on 10 Jul 2022, 16:05 last edited by LuFins Dad 7 Oct 2022, 16:06
@Aqua-Letifer said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
The Roe overturn shouldn’t have anything to do with it. Texas has already established that pre-born have the same rights as anybody… Full props to this lady,
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wrote on 10 Jul 2022, 16:22 last edited by
@Aqua-Letifer said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
I took care of a pregnant woman who was shot in the uterus. Fetus died, she survived.
Perp charged with the death of the fetus. I don't remember the outcome of the charges.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
I took care of a pregnant woman who was shot in the uterus. Fetus died, she survived.
Perp charged with the death of the fetus. I don't remember the outcome of the charges.
wrote on 10 Jul 2022, 17:26 last edited by jon-nyc 7 Oct 2022, 17:28@George-K said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
I took care of a pregnant woman who was shot in the uterus. Fetus died, she survived.
Perp charged with the death of the fetus. I don't remember the outcome of the charges.
It’s actually always been the case that different areas of the law define concepts differently. Indeed you’ve probably seen definition sections at the beginning of congressional bills many times. It seems counterintuitive when defining such concepts as ‘person’ or ‘murder’ but it’s common all the same (e.g. corporations are people under contract law but not, obviously, family law).
So it’s pretty much always been the case that fetuses can (say) inherit money, or a person assaulting a pregnant woman can get charged with harming or killing the fetus, even though the same fetus could be aborted the next day.
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wrote on 10 Jul 2022, 18:01 last edited by Axtremus 7 Oct 2022, 22:05
From a pro-life, pro-family perspective, it wouldn't be a bad idea to let an otherwise unaccompanied pregnant women use the HOV lanes on the account that that will reduce stress and is thus good for the fetus and the pregnant women.
There aren't that many pregnant women anyway so adding them to the HOV lanes shouldn't make that big of a difference to other users of the HOV lanes.
If the police suspects a driver is lying about being pregnant, just write up a citation anyway and let the accused provide a healthcare provider's note to validate the pregnancy claim to get the citation voided.
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From a pro-life, pro-family perspective, it wouldn't be a bad idea to let an otherwise unaccompanied pregnant women use the HOV lanes on the account that that will reduce stress and is thus good for the fetus and the pregnant women.
There aren't that many pregnant women anyway so adding them to the HOV lanes shouldn't make that big of a difference to other users of the HOV lanes.
If the police suspects a driver is lying about being pregnant, just write up a citation anyway and let the accused provide a healthcare provider's note to validate the pregnancy claim to get the citation voided.
wrote on 10 Jul 2022, 20:45 last edited by@Axtremus said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
From a pro-life, pro-family perspective, it wouldn't be a bad idea to let otherwise an unaccompanied pregnant women use the HOV lanes on the account that that will reduce stress and is thus good for the fetus and the pregnant women.
There aren't that many pregnant women anyway so adding them to the HOV lanes shouldn't make that big of a difference to other users of the HOV lanes.
If the police suspects a driver is lying about being pregnant, just write up a citation anyway and let the accused provide a healthcare provider's note to validate the pregnancy claim to get the citation voided.
I think you've lurched into the truth...
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wrote on 10 Jul 2022, 21:16 last edited by
The rules regarding HOV lanes probably already took into account parents with kids (where “carpooling” isn’t saving any vehicle traffic) and perhaps even married spouses or family members.
If not it was sloppy law writing to begin with. The intent of the law is to reward groups who reduce vehicle traffic. You can never target that with perfect precision, but you can do better than “mom with child” or “mom with fetus” gets to use the HOV lanes.
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The rules regarding HOV lanes probably already took into account parents with kids (where “carpooling” isn’t saving any vehicle traffic) and perhaps even married spouses or family members.
If not it was sloppy law writing to begin with. The intent of the law is to reward groups who reduce vehicle traffic. You can never target that with perfect precision, but you can do better than “mom with child” or “mom with fetus” gets to use the HOV lanes.
wrote on 10 Jul 2022, 21:48 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
The rules regarding HOV lanes probably already took into account parents with kids (where “carpooling” isn’t saving any vehicle traffic) and perhaps even married spouses or family members.
If not it was sloppy law writing to begin with. The intent of the law is to reward groups who reduce vehicle traffic. You can never target that with perfect precision, but you can do better than “mom with child” or “mom with fetus” gets to use the HOV lanes.
Actually, babies and children do count as passengers for HOV lanes in all 50 states. I wasn’t expecting it when I looked it up. I had a completely different post in mind…
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@jon-nyc said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
The rules regarding HOV lanes probably already took into account parents with kids (where “carpooling” isn’t saving any vehicle traffic) and perhaps even married spouses or family members.
If not it was sloppy law writing to begin with. The intent of the law is to reward groups who reduce vehicle traffic. You can never target that with perfect precision, but you can do better than “mom with child” or “mom with fetus” gets to use the HOV lanes.
Actually, babies and children do count as passengers for HOV lanes in all 50 states. I wasn’t expecting it when I looked it up. I had a completely different post in mind…
wrote on 10 Jul 2022, 21:52 last edited byI allowed for the possibility but it's badly written law. The point is to reward behavior that results in fewer cars on the road.
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wrote on 10 Jul 2022, 21:55 last edited by
There is something to be said for simplicity and ease of enforcement in a law.
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wrote on 10 Jul 2022, 22:14 last edited by
I regularly used the I-66 HOV lanes, solo, to go from Tysons to Reagan National to catch the Shuttle to LaGuardia. It was early 80's, not a lot of high-tech surveillance.
I was always late and in a hurry. I never got caught.
This was a good use of simplicity and ease of enforcement.
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wrote on 11 Jul 2022, 16:06 last edited by
In Indonesia, Jakarta (the capital city) has a minimum # of people in the car coming into the city during the morning rush hour.
There would always be street kids that you could pick up and pay them maybe USD$0.50 to ride with you into town so that you had enough people in your car.
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I regularly used the I-66 HOV lanes, solo, to go from Tysons to Reagan National to catch the Shuttle to LaGuardia. It was early 80's, not a lot of high-tech surveillance.
I was always late and in a hurry. I never got caught.
This was a good use of simplicity and ease of enforcement.
wrote on 11 Jul 2022, 16:12 last edited by@Copper said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
I regularly used the I-66 HOV lanes, solo, to go from Tysons to Reagan National to catch the Shuttle to LaGuardia. It was early 80's, not a lot of high-tech surveillance.
I was always late and in a hurry. I never got caught.
This was a good use of simplicity and ease of enforcement.
When 66 became a Dynamic Toll Road a few years back, I became a Lyft Driver. Anytime I needed to go into DC I would turn on the directional filters and pick up a rider going into town. I got the HOV toll exemption and made gas money:..
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@Copper said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
I regularly used the I-66 HOV lanes, solo, to go from Tysons to Reagan National to catch the Shuttle to LaGuardia. It was early 80's, not a lot of high-tech surveillance.
I was always late and in a hurry. I never got caught.
This was a good use of simplicity and ease of enforcement.
When 66 became a Dynamic Toll Road a few years back, I became a Lyft Driver. Anytime I needed to go into DC I would turn on the directional filters and pick up a rider going into town. I got the HOV toll exemption and made gas money:..
wrote on 11 Jul 2022, 16:21 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
When 66 became a Dynamic Toll Road a few years back
This is when my decision to move to another state became a little bit easier. The fact that toll roads are popping up everywhere instead of our tax money being used for the most basic of infrastructure needs... our roads. It's both incompatible with the philosophy of taxation as well as admittedly a bit of a class warfare where those without much money cannot afford to take certain roads.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
When 66 became a Dynamic Toll Road a few years back
This is when my decision to move to another state became a little bit easier. The fact that toll roads are popping up everywhere instead of our tax money being used for the most basic of infrastructure needs... our roads. It's both incompatible with the philosophy of taxation as well as admittedly a bit of a class warfare where those without much money cannot afford to take certain roads.
wrote on 11 Jul 2022, 16:33 last edited by@89th said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
@LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
When 66 became a Dynamic Toll Road a few years back
This is when my decision to move to another state became a little bit easier. The fact that toll roads are popping up everywhere instead of our tax money being used for the most basic of infrastructure needs... our roads. It's both incompatible with the philosophy of taxation as well as admittedly a bit of a class warfare where those without much money cannot afford to take certain roads.
You know the worst part of that? They told us that as soon as the cost of the Dulles Toll Road was collected they would remove the toll booths.
Then they recovered the cost so fast they couldn't believe it. And they decided there was no way they would stop that huge money stream. If you don't like it, too bad, go take Route 7.
And of course most of the rest of the country gets free Interstate Highways, why should Fairfax County get nickel and dimed to death?
I really hate those toll roads.
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I regularly used the I-66 HOV lanes, solo, to go from Tysons to Reagan National to catch the Shuttle to LaGuardia. It was early 80's, not a lot of high-tech surveillance.
I was always late and in a hurry. I never got caught.
This was a good use of simplicity and ease of enforcement.
wrote on 11 Jul 2022, 17:03 last edited by@Copper said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
I regularly used the I-66 HOV lanes, solo, to go from Tysons to Reagan National to catch the Shuttle to LaGuardia. It was early 80's, not a lot of high-tech surveillance.
I was always late and in a hurry. I never got caught.
This was a good use of simplicity and ease of enforcement.
I used to use it in LA when I drove a stake truck all over the LA-Orange County area delivering hospital forms. Got caught once, it was $10. Meh.
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@89th said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
@LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
When 66 became a Dynamic Toll Road a few years back
This is when my decision to move to another state became a little bit easier. The fact that toll roads are popping up everywhere instead of our tax money being used for the most basic of infrastructure needs... our roads. It's both incompatible with the philosophy of taxation as well as admittedly a bit of a class warfare where those without much money cannot afford to take certain roads.
You know the worst part of that? They told us that as soon as the cost of the Dulles Toll Road was collected they would remove the toll booths.
Then they recovered the cost so fast they couldn't believe it. And they decided there was no way they would stop that huge money stream. If you don't like it, too bad, go take Route 7.
And of course most of the rest of the country gets free Interstate Highways, why should Fairfax County get nickel and dimed to death?
I really hate those toll roads.
wrote on 11 Jul 2022, 17:04 last edited by@Copper said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
@89th said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
@LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
When 66 became a Dynamic Toll Road a few years back
This is when my decision to move to another state became a little bit easier. The fact that toll roads are popping up everywhere instead of our tax money being used for the most basic of infrastructure needs... our roads. It's both incompatible with the philosophy of taxation as well as admittedly a bit of a class warfare where those without much money cannot afford to take certain roads.
You know the worst part of that? They told us that as soon as the cost of the Dulles Toll Road was collected they would remove the toll booths.
Then they recovered the cost so fast they couldn't believe it. And they decided there was no way they would stop that huge money stream. If you don't like it, too bad, go take Route 7.
And of course most of the rest of the country gets free Interstate Highways, why should Fairfax County get nickel and dimed to death?
I really hate those toll roads.
It's to get those freeloading EV bastards.
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wrote on 11 Jul 2022, 19:10 last edited by
The. Most. Thread. Drift. Ever.
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wrote on 11 Jul 2022, 19:52 last edited by
@Jolly said in Roe & Casey overturned.:
The. Most. Thread. Drift. Ever.
Remember many years ago we would joke about how so many threads would devolve into evolution or abortion threads?
Now the abortion threads devolve into HOV gaming.
We’re getting soft.