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Roe & Casey overturned.

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  • J jon-nyc
    12 Jul 2022, 16:21

    @89th said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

    Although....I would imagine it's often hard to quantify the emergency/risk to a mother regarding an abortion, so maybe the waters remain muddy.

    I think we can count on red state Attorneys General not to second guess a doctor’s emergency decision after the fact, just to have a high profile prosecution that gets him in the national news and generates political support among the GOP base.

    Right?

    Right?

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    Jolly
    wrote on 12 Jul 2022, 16:23 last edited by
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    @jon-nyc said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

    @89th said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

    Although....I would imagine it's often hard to quantify the emergency/risk to a mother regarding an abortion, so maybe the waters remain muddy.

    I think we can count on red state Attorneys General not to second guess a doctor’s emergency decision after the fact, just to have a high profile prosecution that gets him in the national news and generates political support among the GOP base.

    Right?

    Right?

    Unless the doc is an activist.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • J Jolly
      12 Jul 2022, 16:23

      @jon-nyc said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

      @89th said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

      Although....I would imagine it's often hard to quantify the emergency/risk to a mother regarding an abortion, so maybe the waters remain muddy.

      I think we can count on red state Attorneys General not to second guess a doctor’s emergency decision after the fact, just to have a high profile prosecution that gets him in the national news and generates political support among the GOP base.

      Right?

      Right?

      Unless the doc is an activist.

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 12 Jul 2022, 16:24 last edited by jon-nyc 7 Dec 2022, 16:25
      #234

      @Jolly

      Yeah right. You don’t think Paxton would do this regardless? I mean, assuming he has time when he’s not busy investigating Twitter?

      Only non-witches get due process.

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        Jolly
        wrote on 12 Jul 2022, 16:25 last edited by
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        I think most AG's won't go looking for trouble in the medical world, unless shoved into it.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          George K
          wrote on 12 Jul 2022, 17:21 last edited by
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          The status of a "fact."

          Democracy dies in making shit up.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Horace
            wrote on 12 Jul 2022, 18:24 last edited by
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            I'm old enough to remember when the entire culture was in need of fainting couches over these sorts of alternative facts.

            Humans are really, really stupid.

            Education is extremely important.

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              Jolly
              wrote on 12 Jul 2022, 22:14 last edited by
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              Ain't nuthin' at the Crime Lab...

              https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2022/07/11/ohio-attorney-general-throws-cold-water-on-10-year-old-rape-victim-story-no-case-that-looks-anything-like-this-n1612121

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                Jolly
                wrote on 13 Jul 2022, 16:39 last edited by
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                Arrest.

                https://www.cantonrep.com/story/news/2022/07/13/columbus-man-charged-rape-10-year-old-led-abortion-in-indiana/10046625002/

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  Axtremus
                  wrote on 13 Jul 2022, 19:58 last edited by Axtremus
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                  Arrest of and confession by the rapist, and confirmation by the police that the 10 year old indeed traveled to Indiana for abortion.

                  https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/07/13/columbus-man-charged-rape-10-year-old-led-abortion-in-indiana/10046625002/

                  "A Columbus man has been charged with impregnating a 10-year-old Ohio girl, whose travel to Indiana to seek an abortion led to international attention ...*

                  Gershon Fuentes, 27, whose last known address was an apartment on Columbus' Northwest Side, was arrested Tuesday after police say he confessed to raping the child on at least two occasions. He's since been charged with rape, a felony of the first degree in Ohio.

                  Columbus police were made aware of the girl's pregnancy through a referral by Franklin County Children Services that was made by her mother on June 22, Det. Jeffrey Huhn testified Wednesday morning at Fuentes' arraignment. On June 30, the girl underwent a medical abortion in Indianapolis, Huhn said.
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                  • G George K
                    12 Jul 2022, 17:21

                    The status of a "fact."

                    Democracy dies in making shit up.

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 13 Jul 2022, 20:21 last edited by jon-nyc
                    #241

                    @George-K said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                    The status of a "fact."

                    Democracy dies in making shit up.

                    That chick seems really unreliable. It is definitely suspect that she captures a single sentence from WaPo piece yet refuses to link to the story. The actual story includes the original source, an Indianapolis OBGYN.

                    Maybe use the account for entertainment purposes only?

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                      Horace
                      wrote on 13 Jul 2022, 20:37 last edited by
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                      This was an unfortunate divergence into the theory that the whole story was made up, but the original criticisms having to do with abortions being legal in all states for this case, still stands.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on 13 Jul 2022, 21:12 last edited by
                        #243

                        Still stinks, even if true.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • H Horace
                          13 Jul 2022, 20:37

                          This was an unfortunate divergence into the theory that the whole story was made up, but the original criticisms having to do with abortions being legal in all states for this case, still stands.

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                          LuFins Dad
                          wrote on 13 Jul 2022, 22:57 last edited by
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                          @Horace said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                          This was an unfortunate divergence into the theory that the whole story was made up, but the original criticisms having to do with abortions being legal in all states for this case, still stands.

                          Yep. Most physicians would have signed off that the pregnancy carried a health risk for a 10 year old…

                          The Brad

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                            13 Jul 2022, 20:37

                            This was an unfortunate divergence into the theory that the whole story was made up, but the original criticisms having to do with abortions being legal in all states for this case, still stands.

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                            George K
                            wrote on 13 Jul 2022, 23:07 last edited by
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                            @Horace said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                            This was an unfortunate divergence into the theory that the whole story was made up, but the original criticisms having to do with abortions being legal in all states for this case, still stands.

                            Exactly. Even the so called "fetal heartbeat" bill is full of controversy. When a "heartbeat" can be discerned is up to debate and interpretation.

                            Oh, and at 6 weeks, it's not a fetus, it's an embryo, and there is no heart. There is only a tube that begins to contract.

                            Science....

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              LuFins Dad
                              wrote on 13 Jul 2022, 23:18 last edited by
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                              I would also point out that it’s also still poor journalism to publish the story without any fact checking or sourcing…

                              The Brad

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                              • L LuFins Dad
                                13 Jul 2022, 23:18

                                I would also point out that it’s also still poor journalism to publish the story without any fact checking or sourcing…

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 00:24 last edited by
                                #247

                                @LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                I would also point out that it’s also still poor journalism to publish the story without any fact checking or sourcing…

                                Of for the POTUS to use a single source, unvetted story from the bully pulpit for political gain.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 01:06 last edited by
                                  #248

                                  HIPAA violation...

                                  https://rumble.com/v1c4vu7-aishah-hasnie-updates-on-10-year-old-abortion-story.html

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • J Jolly
                                    14 Jul 2022, 01:06

                                    HIPAA violation...

                                    https://rumble.com/v1c4vu7-aishah-hasnie-updates-on-10-year-old-abortion-story.html

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                                    taiwan_girl
                                    wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 01:33 last edited by
                                    #249

                                    @Jolly said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                    HIPAA violation...

                                    https://rumble.com/v1c4vu7-aishah-hasnie-updates-on-10-year-old-abortion-story.html

                                    *Protected Health Information (PHI):

                                    Any personally identifiable demographic information that can be used to identify a patient. HIPAA sets national standards for the privacy and security of PHI. HIPAA identifies 18 markers of PHI, which include:

                                    Name
                                    Address (including subdivisions smaller than state such as street address, city, county, or zip code)
                                    Any dates (except years) that are directly related to an individual, including birthday, date of admission or discharge, date of death, or the exact age of individuals older than 89
                                    Telephone number
                                    Fax number
                                    Email address
                                    Social Security number
                                    Medical record number
                                    Health plan beneficiary number
                                    Account number
                                    Certificate/license number
                                    Vehicle identifiers, serial numbers, or license plate numbers
                                    Device identifiers or serial numbers
                                    Web URLs
                                    IP address
                                    Biometric identifiers such as fingerprints or voice prints
                                    Full-face photos
                                    Any other unique identifying numbers, characteristics, or codes*

                                    You guys know more about this than I do, but if the age was the only thing told, then maybe no violation.

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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 02:08 last edited by
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                                      I would have said "No", but apparently this wasn't her patient?

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        Horace
                                        wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 18:35 last edited by
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                                        So, the rapist is an illegal immigrant, according to the 11th paragraph of a CNN story I read about the arrest.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                          14 Jul 2022, 18:35

                                          So, the rapist is an illegal immigrant, according to the 11th paragraph of a CNN story I read about the arrest.

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on 14 Jul 2022, 18:40 last edited by
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                                          @Horace said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                          So, the rapist is an illegal immigrant, according to the 11th paragraph of a CNN story I read about the arrest.

                                          The important question is whether he is a white Hispanic or not.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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