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Roe & Casey overturned.

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  • JollyJ Jolly

    With tie?

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    @Jolly

    Hanging low.

    Only non-witches get due process.

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      I was three weeks premature. Probably the only time in my life I was raring to go outside and do stuff.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • MikM Away
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        This is going to muddy the waters.

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-government-tells-hospitals-they-must-provide-abortions-in-cases-of-emergency-regardless-of-state-law/ar-AAZsyKz?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2355cfb42fde4bb79df9edd941df9bd4

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • MikM Mik

          This is going to muddy the waters.

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-government-tells-hospitals-they-must-provide-abortions-in-cases-of-emergency-regardless-of-state-law/ar-AAZsyKz?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2355cfb42fde4bb79df9edd941df9bd4

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          @Mik said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

          This is going to muddy the waters.

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-government-tells-hospitals-they-must-provide-abortions-in-cases-of-emergency-regardless-of-state-law/ar-AAZsyKz?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2355cfb42fde4bb79df9edd941df9bd4

          I think most states, even restrictive ones, have language that allows for abortion if needed to save the life of a mother, but often the language is vague so I would think doctors would be hesitant so as not to face charges.

          So, this federal "reminder" (?) I think could help clarify that a bit, which is good. Although....I would imagine it's often hard to quantify the emergency/risk to a mother regarding an abortion, so maybe the waters remain muddy.

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          • 89th8 89th

            @Mik said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

            This is going to muddy the waters.

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-government-tells-hospitals-they-must-provide-abortions-in-cases-of-emergency-regardless-of-state-law/ar-AAZsyKz?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2355cfb42fde4bb79df9edd941df9bd4

            I think most states, even restrictive ones, have language that allows for abortion if needed to save the life of a mother, but often the language is vague so I would think doctors would be hesitant so as not to face charges.

            So, this federal "reminder" (?) I think could help clarify that a bit, which is good. Although....I would imagine it's often hard to quantify the emergency/risk to a mother regarding an abortion, so maybe the waters remain muddy.

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            @89th said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

            Although....I would imagine it's often hard to quantify the emergency/risk to a mother regarding an abortion, so maybe the waters remain muddy.

            I think we can count on red state Attorneys General not to second guess a doctor’s emergency decision after the fact, just to have a high profile prosecution that gets him in the national news and generates political support among the GOP base.

            Right?

            Right?

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              @89th said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

              Although....I would imagine it's often hard to quantify the emergency/risk to a mother regarding an abortion, so maybe the waters remain muddy.

              I think we can count on red state Attorneys General not to second guess a doctor’s emergency decision after the fact, just to have a high profile prosecution that gets him in the national news and generates political support among the GOP base.

              Right?

              Right?

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              @jon-nyc said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

              @89th said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

              Although....I would imagine it's often hard to quantify the emergency/risk to a mother regarding an abortion, so maybe the waters remain muddy.

              I think we can count on red state Attorneys General not to second guess a doctor’s emergency decision after the fact, just to have a high profile prosecution that gets him in the national news and generates political support among the GOP base.

              Right?

              Right?

              Unless the doc is an activist.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                @jon-nyc said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                @89th said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                Although....I would imagine it's often hard to quantify the emergency/risk to a mother regarding an abortion, so maybe the waters remain muddy.

                I think we can count on red state Attorneys General not to second guess a doctor’s emergency decision after the fact, just to have a high profile prosecution that gets him in the national news and generates political support among the GOP base.

                Right?

                Right?

                Unless the doc is an activist.

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                jon-nyc
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                #234

                @Jolly

                Yeah right. You don’t think Paxton would do this regardless? I mean, assuming he has time when he’s not busy investigating Twitter?

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                  I think most AG's won't go looking for trouble in the medical world, unless shoved into it.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    The status of a "fact."

                    Democracy dies in making shit up.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      I'm old enough to remember when the entire culture was in need of fainting couches over these sorts of alternative facts.

                      Humans are really, really stupid.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                        Jolly
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                        Ain't nuthin' at the Crime Lab...

                        https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2022/07/11/ohio-attorney-general-throws-cold-water-on-10-year-old-rape-victim-story-no-case-that-looks-anything-like-this-n1612121

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          Arrest.

                          https://www.cantonrep.com/story/news/2022/07/13/columbus-man-charged-rape-10-year-old-led-abortion-in-indiana/10046625002/

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            Arrest of and confession by the rapist, and confirmation by the police that the 10 year old indeed traveled to Indiana for abortion.

                            https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/07/13/columbus-man-charged-rape-10-year-old-led-abortion-in-indiana/10046625002/

                            "A Columbus man has been charged with impregnating a 10-year-old Ohio girl, whose travel to Indiana to seek an abortion led to international attention ...*

                            Gershon Fuentes, 27, whose last known address was an apartment on Columbus' Northwest Side, was arrested Tuesday after police say he confessed to raping the child on at least two occasions. He's since been charged with rape, a felony of the first degree in Ohio.

                            Columbus police were made aware of the girl's pregnancy through a referral by Franklin County Children Services that was made by her mother on June 22, Det. Jeffrey Huhn testified Wednesday morning at Fuentes' arraignment. On June 30, the girl underwent a medical abortion in Indianapolis, Huhn said.
                            ...

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                            • George KG George K

                              The status of a "fact."

                              Democracy dies in making shit up.

                              jon-nycJ Offline
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                              #241

                              @George-K said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                              The status of a "fact."

                              Democracy dies in making shit up.

                              That chick seems really unreliable. It is definitely suspect that she captures a single sentence from WaPo piece yet refuses to link to the story. The actual story includes the original source, an Indianapolis OBGYN.

                              Maybe use the account for entertainment purposes only?

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                                This was an unfortunate divergence into the theory that the whole story was made up, but the original criticisms having to do with abortions being legal in all states for this case, still stands.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  Still stinks, even if true.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • HoraceH Horace

                                    This was an unfortunate divergence into the theory that the whole story was made up, but the original criticisms having to do with abortions being legal in all states for this case, still stands.

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                                    @Horace said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                    This was an unfortunate divergence into the theory that the whole story was made up, but the original criticisms having to do with abortions being legal in all states for this case, still stands.

                                    Yep. Most physicians would have signed off that the pregnancy carried a health risk for a 10 year old…

                                    The Brad

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                                    • HoraceH Horace

                                      This was an unfortunate divergence into the theory that the whole story was made up, but the original criticisms having to do with abortions being legal in all states for this case, still stands.

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                                      @Horace said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                      This was an unfortunate divergence into the theory that the whole story was made up, but the original criticisms having to do with abortions being legal in all states for this case, still stands.

                                      Exactly. Even the so called "fetal heartbeat" bill is full of controversy. When a "heartbeat" can be discerned is up to debate and interpretation.

                                      Oh, and at 6 weeks, it's not a fetus, it's an embryo, and there is no heart. There is only a tube that begins to contract.

                                      Science....

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        I would also point out that it’s also still poor journalism to publish the story without any fact checking or sourcing…

                                        The Brad

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                                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                          I would also point out that it’s also still poor journalism to publish the story without any fact checking or sourcing…

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                                          @LuFins-Dad said in Roe & Casey overturned.:

                                          I would also point out that it’s also still poor journalism to publish the story without any fact checking or sourcing…

                                          Of for the POTUS to use a single source, unvetted story from the bully pulpit for political gain.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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