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The Ukraine war thread

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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
    wrote last edited by
    #2988

    Substantial, if true. I however remain sceptical that Lavrov is on Putin’s naughty list.

    Elbows up!

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    • MikM Away
      MikM Away
      Mik
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      #2989

      Not being privy to internal Kremlin politics, it would seem unwise to alienate Lavrov who clearly has his own following. I doubt his absence means any more than was said.

      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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      • RenaudaR Offline
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        #2990

        Not likely that Lavrov would be entirely sidelined, his expertise in security and foreign affairs is too valuable. A very uncompromising person.

        Elbows up!

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        • RenaudaR Offline
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          #2991

          I should add however, that he should henceforth avoid all windows located above the ground floor. After all, one can’t be too careful in these troubled times.

          Elbows up!

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          • MikM Away
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            Mik
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            #2992

            Ah, yes. The gravity of the situation.

            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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            • jon-nycJ Offline
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              I was heartened by this.

              If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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              • MikM Away
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                Mik
                wrote last edited by Mik
                #2994

                The comments are interesting too. It's perhaps not apples to apples but it's a good development, nonetheless.

                "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                • MikM Away
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                  Mik
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                  #2995

                  Not a good development, but probably to be expected given the environment Ukraine endured under Soviet rule.

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-s-top-ministers-resign-amid-100m-corruption-scandal/ar-AA1Qjy5u

                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                  • W Offline
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                    Wim
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                    #2996

                    Putin's power bloc cracking?

                    https://www.kyivpost.com/videos/64394

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                    • MikM Away
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                      wrote last edited by
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                      Interesting.

                      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                      • W Wim

                        Putin's power bloc cracking?

                        https://www.kyivpost.com/videos/64394

                        RenaudaR Offline
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                        wrote last edited by Renauda
                        #2998

                        @Wim

                        Makes sense in so far as Russia is not and never has been a monolith state. It also explains the internal struggle since the dissolution of the USSR between the siloviki (strongmen - security services, military) and the financial/industrial business elites. He correctly identifies Rosneft’s Igor Sechin as more than just associated with the FSB. Back in the 90’s Rosneft was the poor boy in the oil patch a badly managed state owned oil company that could not compete with its privatized competition like LUKOil or Surgutneftegaz. That all changed with the arrival of Putin in the Kremlin and during the course of his first two terms Rosneft came to be among the top three Russian oil companies. By now it is probably the most powerful in the country as in terms of production, refining capacity and lucrative financial assets outside of the oil business internally and abroad.

                        Elbows up!

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