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The Ukraine war thread

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  • Tom-KT Offline
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    Tom-K
    wrote on last edited by
    #2979

    The only reason to end the war is to spare the suffering and death of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. But if you don't care about that--then the war can go on forever. In that respect Putin is like Hamas--as long as they get what they want in the end human suffering really doesn't matter.

    Flushing the toilet is like practicing the piano; you just cannot go too long without doing it.--Axtremus

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    • jon-nycJ Offline
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      jon-nyc
      wrote on last edited by
      #2980

      Russians taking over Ukrainian territory doesn’t seem to end the suffering of the inhabitants.

      “In the 25 years that I served in the United States Congress, Republicans never, ever, one time agreed on what a health care proposal should look like. Not once.”

      • Former Speaker of the House John Boehner
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      • Tom-KT Tom-K

        The only reason to end the war is to spare the suffering and death of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. But if you don't care about that--then the war can go on forever. In that respect Putin is like Hamas--as long as they get what they want in the end human suffering really doesn't matter.

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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by Renauda
        #2981

        @Tom-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

        The only reason to end the war is to spare the suffering and death of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. But if you don't care about that….. Putin is like Hamas--as long as they get what they want in the end human suffering really doesn't matter.

        No it doesn’t. What only matters is Putin’s own megalomaniac legacy to become the greatest Russian autocrat since Peter the Great. That legacy includes all of what remains of sovereign Ukraine and whatever other coveted imperial morsel he can steal by subterfuge or brute force.

        Elbows up!

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          Russians taking over Ukrainian territory doesn’t seem to end the suffering of the inhabitants.

          AxtremusA Offline
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          Axtremus
          wrote on last edited by
          #2982

          @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

          Russians taking over Ukrainian territory doesn’t seem to end the suffering of the inhabitants.

          But maybe it will result in a Nobel Prize.

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          • jon-nycJ Offline
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            jon-nyc
            wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
            #2983

            I wish they were wrong.

            “In the 25 years that I served in the United States Congress, Republicans never, ever, one time agreed on what a health care proposal should look like. Not once.”

            • Former Speaker of the House John Boehner
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            • RenaudaR Offline
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              Renauda
              wrote on last edited by Renauda
              #2984

              Budapest Summit indefinitely postponed.

              https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gjp73gp41o

              Elbows up!

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              • RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by
                #2985

                Prescient commentary from 1990:

                https://www.facebook.com/reel/24591979110497672/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

                Elbows up!

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                • W Offline
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                  Wim
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #2986

                  Lavrov losing Putin's support?

                  Https://www.google.com/amp/s/telegrafi.com/en/amp/Lavrov-loses-Putin%2527s-support-after-failed-meeting-with-Trump-2674272039

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                  • W Wim

                    Lavrov losing Putin's support?

                    Https://www.google.com/amp/s/telegrafi.com/en/amp/Lavrov-loses-Putin%2527s-support-after-failed-meeting-with-Trump-2674272039

                    AxtremusA Offline
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                    Axtremus
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #2987

                    @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    Lavrov losing Putin's support?

                    What's the significance?

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                    • RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #2988

                      Substantial, if true. I however remain sceptical that Lavrov is on Putin’s naughty list.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • MikM Away
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                        Mik
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #2989

                        Not being privy to internal Kremlin politics, it would seem unwise to alienate Lavrov who clearly has his own following. I doubt his absence means any more than was said.

                        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #2990

                          Not likely that Lavrov would be entirely sidelined, his expertise in security and foreign affairs is too valuable. A very uncompromising person.

                          Elbows up!

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #2991

                            I should add however, that he should henceforth avoid all windows located above the ground floor. After all, one can’t be too careful in these troubled times.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • MikM Away
                              MikM Away
                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2992

                              Ah, yes. The gravity of the situation.

                              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                              • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #2993

                                I was heartened by this.

                                “In the 25 years that I served in the United States Congress, Republicans never, ever, one time agreed on what a health care proposal should look like. Not once.”

                                • Former Speaker of the House John Boehner
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                                • MikM Away
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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on last edited by Mik
                                  #2994

                                  The comments are interesting too. It's perhaps not apples to apples but it's a good development, nonetheless.

                                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                  • MikM Away
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                                    Mik
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #2995

                                    Not a good development, but probably to be expected given the environment Ukraine endured under Soviet rule.

                                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-s-top-ministers-resign-amid-100m-corruption-scandal/ar-AA1Qjy5u

                                    "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                    • W Offline
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                                      Wim
                                      wrote last edited by
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                                      Putin's power bloc cracking?

                                      https://www.kyivpost.com/videos/64394

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                                      • MikM Away
                                        MikM Away
                                        Mik
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #2997

                                        Interesting.

                                        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                        • W Wim

                                          Putin's power bloc cracking?

                                          https://www.kyivpost.com/videos/64394

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote last edited by Renauda
                                          #2998

                                          @Wim

                                          Makes sense in so far as Russia is not and never has been a monolith state. It also explains the internal struggle since the dissolution of the USSR between the siloviki (strongmen - security services, military) and the financial/industrial business elites. He correctly identifies Rosneft’s Igor Sechin as more than just associated with the FSB. Back in the 90’s Rosneft was the poor boy in the oil patch a badly managed state owned oil company that could not compete with its privatized competition like LUKOil or Surgutneftegaz. That all changed with the arrival of Putin in the Kremlin and during the course of his first two terms Rosneft came to be among the top three Russian oil companies. By now it is probably the most powerful in the country as in terms of production, refining capacity and lucrative financial assets outside of the oil business internally and abroad.

                                          Elbows up!

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