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The Ukraine war thread

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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    Russians taking over Ukrainian territory doesn’t seem to end the suffering of the inhabitants.

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    Axtremus
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    #2982

    @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

    Russians taking over Ukrainian territory doesn’t seem to end the suffering of the inhabitants.

    But maybe it will result in a Nobel Prize.

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      jon-nyc
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      #2983

      I wish they were wrong.

      The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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        Renauda
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        #2984

        Budapest Summit indefinitely postponed.

        https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gjp73gp41o

        Elbows up!

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          Prescient commentary from 1990:

          https://www.facebook.com/reel/24591979110497672/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

          Elbows up!

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            #2986

            Lavrov losing Putin's support?

            Https://www.google.com/amp/s/telegrafi.com/en/amp/Lavrov-loses-Putin%2527s-support-after-failed-meeting-with-Trump-2674272039

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            • W Wim

              Lavrov losing Putin's support?

              Https://www.google.com/amp/s/telegrafi.com/en/amp/Lavrov-loses-Putin%2527s-support-after-failed-meeting-with-Trump-2674272039

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              Axtremus
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              #2987

              @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

              Lavrov losing Putin's support?

              What's the significance?

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                #2988

                Substantial, if true. I however remain sceptical that Lavrov is on Putin’s naughty list.

                Elbows up!

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                • MikM Away
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                  Not being privy to internal Kremlin politics, it would seem unwise to alienate Lavrov who clearly has his own following. I doubt his absence means any more than was said.

                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                    #2990

                    Not likely that Lavrov would be entirely sidelined, his expertise in security and foreign affairs is too valuable. A very uncompromising person.

                    Elbows up!

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                      #2991

                      I should add however, that he should henceforth avoid all windows located above the ground floor. After all, one can’t be too careful in these troubled times.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • MikM Away
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                        #2992

                        Ah, yes. The gravity of the situation.

                        "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                          I was heartened by this.

                          The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                          • MikM Away
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                            #2994

                            The comments are interesting too. It's perhaps not apples to apples but it's a good development, nonetheless.

                            "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                              Not a good development, but probably to be expected given the environment Ukraine endured under Soviet rule.

                              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-s-top-ministers-resign-amid-100m-corruption-scandal/ar-AA1Qjy5u

                              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                Putin's power bloc cracking?

                                https://www.kyivpost.com/videos/64394

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                                  Interesting.

                                  "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                  • W Wim

                                    Putin's power bloc cracking?

                                    https://www.kyivpost.com/videos/64394

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                                    #2998

                                    @Wim

                                    Makes sense in so far as Russia is not and never has been a monolith state. It also explains the internal struggle since the dissolution of the USSR between the siloviki (strongmen - security services, military) and the financial/industrial business elites. He correctly identifies Rosneft’s Igor Sechin as more than just associated with the FSB. Back in the 90’s Rosneft was the poor boy in the oil patch a badly managed state owned oil company that could not compete with its privatized competition like LUKOil or Surgutneftegaz. That all changed with the arrival of Putin in the Kremlin and during the course of his first two terms Rosneft came to be among the top three Russian oil companies. By now it is probably the most powerful in the country as in terms of production, refining capacity and lucrative financial assets outside of the oil business internally and abroad.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      #2999

                                      Not a cheery article. I can't help but wonder where we would be if the west had supported Ukraine more whole-heartedly. All for using the frozen Russian assets.

                                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/zelensky-is-losing-touch-with-reality/ar-AA1QGvyu

                                      "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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                                      • MikM Mik

                                        Not a cheery article. I can't help but wonder where we would be if the west had supported Ukraine more whole-heartedly. All for using the frozen Russian assets.

                                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/zelensky-is-losing-touch-with-reality/ar-AA1QGvyu

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                                        @Mik

                                        Not cheery but as one observer I read pointed out:

                                        To be clear, the fact Ukraine’s investigators — and its raucous free press — are absolutely going to town on elites is itself evidence of a living, breathing (if coughing) democracy worth defending. One need only glance over the border to recall the alternative.

                                        Can anyone send us the link to Russia’s credible investigation after the Panama Papers exposed Putin’s billions? Or how his best friend (Roldugin) earned billions playing a cello? (dude must be awesome). Or why the guy who made a two-hour documentary on Putin’s $1.4 billion Black Sea mega-palace ended up dead in a Putin prison?

                                        The absence of scandal in an autocracy is often just a symptom of its silent, dehumanising condition. And inversely (if uncomfortably), the presence of scandal in a democracy often just reflects the messy but sacred human agency underneath. And that’s worth fighting for, everywhere, every time.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                          Good observation.

                                          "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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