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  • G George K
    8 Apr 2022, 13:47

    @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

    This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

    As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

    1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
    2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
    3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

    I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

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    Renauda
    wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 15:28 last edited by Renauda 4 Aug 2022, 15:31
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    @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

    @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

    This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

    As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

    1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
    2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
    3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

    I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

    From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

    And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

    Elbows up!

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    • R Renauda
      8 Apr 2022, 15:28

      @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

      @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

      This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

      As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

      1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
      2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
      3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

      I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

      From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

      And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

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      xenon
      wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 16:16 last edited by
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      @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

      @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

      @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

      This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

      As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

      1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
      2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
      3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

      I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

      From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

      And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

      So interesting. But it's not too hard to see how that works. They just flip the script back onto the US and say "yeah, like your hands are so clean? Look what you did in Iraq, Libya, etc."

      Then it gets into a matter of degrees, but the moral waters are already muddy.

      I think I remember Trump making a similar argument when pushed about the atrocities of other countries "you think our country is so innocent?"

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      • R Renauda
        8 Apr 2022, 15:28

        @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

        @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

        This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

        As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

        1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
        2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
        3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

        I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

        From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

        And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

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        Copper
        wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 16:38 last edited by
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        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

        The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

        And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

        They would do well as members of BLM.

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        • X xenon
          8 Apr 2022, 16:16

          @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

          @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

          @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

          This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

          As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

          1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
          2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
          3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

          I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

          From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

          And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

          So interesting. But it's not too hard to see how that works. They just flip the script back onto the US and say "yeah, like your hands are so clean? Look what you did in Iraq, Libya, etc."

          Then it gets into a matter of degrees, but the moral waters are already muddy.

          I think I remember Trump making a similar argument when pushed about the atrocities of other countries "you think our country is so innocent?"

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          Renauda
          wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 16:56 last edited by
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          @xenon

          Whataboutism is a cornerstone of Putin’s propaganda strategy. Just listen to how Lavrov, Peskov and the Russian Ambassador defend the indefensible.

          Elbows up!

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            Horace
            wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 17:14 last edited by
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            It’s astonishing that after eons of culturally distributed propaganda working flawlessly within every human culture ever, it continues to work now.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • R Renauda
              8 Apr 2022, 15:28

              @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

              @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

              This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

              As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

              1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
              2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
              3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

              I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

              From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

              And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

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              Aqua Letifer
              wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 18:15 last edited by
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              @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

              @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

              @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

              This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

              As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

              1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
              2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
              3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

              I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

              From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

              And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

              Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

              Please love yourself.

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              • A Aqua Letifer
                8 Apr 2022, 18:15

                @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

                As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

                1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
                2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
                3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

                I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

                From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

                And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

                Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

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                Copper
                wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 18:32 last edited by
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                @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

                Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.

                The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.

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                • A Aqua Letifer
                  8 Apr 2022, 18:15

                  @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.

                  As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.

                  1. Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
                  2. Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
                  3. Those in the middle who are undecided.

                  I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?

                  From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.

                  And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.

                  Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

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                  Axtremus
                  wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 20:10 last edited by
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                  @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

                  Given enough time, another "world war" is pretty much a sure thing unless:

                  1. We get invaded by aliens (from outer space) first
                  2. We migrate off planet Earth first
                  3. Another global catastrophe got the human race first (pandemic, climate change, mad science gone bad, big meteor, etc.)
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                  • C Copper
                    8 Apr 2022, 18:32

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

                    Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.

                    The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.

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                    Renauda
                    wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 20:13 last edited by
                    #260

                    @Copper said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

                    Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.

                    The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.

                    If that’s your story and it makes you feel better about then stick with it. It’s still entirely Putin’s war and his doing until such time he is no longer in the Kremlin.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • C Copper
                      8 Apr 2022, 18:32

                      @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

                      Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.

                      The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.

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                      Doctor Phibes
                      wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 20:49 last edited by
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                      @Copper said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

                      Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.

                      The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.

                      Nuclear bomb detonates in Paris. Americans wonder what effect this will have on the mid-terms.

                      I was only joking

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                        Horace
                        wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 20:56 last edited by
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                        entire societies can be moved by artful messaging. Why wouldn't someone observe and comment on that messaging? I mean unless they're like a fish not observing and commenting on the water.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          Mik
                          wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 21:03 last edited by
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                          Ukraine is now sending Terminators after the Rus. 😆

                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-army-is-using-terminator-drones-to-scare-russians-into-retreat/ar-AAVYOCM?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8feed417e5bb40a39d443a8e91fbf37e

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • M Mik
                            8 Apr 2022, 21:03

                            Ukraine is now sending Terminators after the Rus. 😆

                            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-army-is-using-terminator-drones-to-scare-russians-into-retreat/ar-AAVYOCM?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8feed417e5bb40a39d443a8e91fbf37e

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 22:55 last edited by
                            #264

                            @Mik

                            Psy-fi-ops.

                            Elbows up!

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                              Mik
                              wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 22:56 last edited by
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                              It would likely be more effective had they not put it in the news.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • R Renauda
                                8 Apr 2022, 20:13

                                @Copper said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

                                Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.

                                The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.

                                If that’s your story and it makes you feel better about then stick with it. It’s still entirely Putin’s war and his doing until such time he is no longer in the Kremlin.

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                                Copper
                                wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 23:44 last edited by
                                #266

                                @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                @Copper said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

                                Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.

                                The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.

                                If that’s your story and it makes you feel better about then stick with it. It’s still entirely Putin’s war and his doing until such time he is no longer in the Kremlin.

                                Maybe you missed it

                                The democrats are now using this war as their #1 talking point

                                Mr. Biden is a war hero

                                Mr. Putin is a bad guy and Mr. Biden is protecting the world. Most of the guys pushing this story couldn't pick Mr. Putin out of a lineup.

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                                • C Copper
                                  8 Apr 2022, 23:44

                                  @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  @Copper said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.

                                  Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.

                                  The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.

                                  If that’s your story and it makes you feel better about then stick with it. It’s still entirely Putin’s war and his doing until such time he is no longer in the Kremlin.

                                  Maybe you missed it

                                  The democrats are now using this war as their #1 talking point

                                  Mr. Biden is a war hero

                                  Mr. Putin is a bad guy and Mr. Biden is protecting the world. Most of the guys pushing this story couldn't pick Mr. Putin out of a lineup.

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on 8 Apr 2022, 23:49 last edited by Renauda 4 Sept 2022, 00:29
                                  #267

                                  @Copper

                                  Sorry I missed it. I however watch unAmerican slick media. None of that pop kulture stuff like CNN or Fux.

                                  Might try to do better next time

                                  Elbows up!

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on 9 Apr 2022, 23:55 last edited by
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                                    Updated:

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                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on 10 Apr 2022, 09:50 last edited by
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                                      Interesting thread on the support for Putin of Russian speakers outside Russia.

                                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on 10 Apr 2022, 10:56 last edited by
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                                        Very interesting. Makes some twisted sense of what is otherwise unconceivable to us.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on 10 Apr 2022, 11:07 last edited by
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                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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