The Ukraine war thread
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@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.
As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.
- Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
- Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
- Those in the middle who are undecided.
I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?
I've mentioned I look at the Twitter account of Sergey Karjakin - he's a very strong chess player who challenged for the World Championship in 2016, so you've got to assume he's moderately smart. He's 32, and according to his Tweets has completely bought into what he's being told by the Putin regime, to the point where he's being really quite offensive. So, either he's morally bankrupt, or he actually believes the rubbish he posts. He's been banned from playing internationally for 6 months, so it's not like he's gaining anything from this, except possibly political capital at home. Most of the other Russian players posted something negative about the war, and then pretty much fell completely silent, for obvious reasons.
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@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.
As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.
- Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
- Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
- Those in the middle who are undecided.
I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?
From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.
And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.
“Little by little I am learning the art of being quite content by doing very little slowly” ~ Lionel Hardcastle
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.
As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.
- Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
- Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
- Those in the middle who are undecided.
I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?
From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.
And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.
So interesting. But it's not too hard to see how that works. They just flip the script back onto the US and say "yeah, like your hands are so clean? Look what you did in Iraq, Libya, etc."
Then it gets into a matter of degrees, but the moral waters are already muddy.
I think I remember Trump making a similar argument when pushed about the atrocities of other countries "you think our country is so innocent?"
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.
And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.
They would do well as members of BLM.
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
This is insane. I don't understand what Russia hopes to gain by this behaviour.
As @Renauda said, early in the conflict, there seem to be three groups of people in Russia.
- Those older than 60, who understand what's happening
- Those younger than 25, who buy everything hook, line and sinker.
- Those in the middle who are undecided.
I wonder, now being 6 weeks into this, how groups 2 and 3 are reacting. Surely, they're seeing that the entire planet is (almost) united in the condemnation of Russia. Are the sanctions beginning to have an effect on Joe Vodka?
From what I can tell, Putin’s domestic propaganda machine is winning over the previously undecided population. They are feeling the effects of the sanctions; exponential inflation coupled with shortages. For the elderly relying on state pensions it is feeling like the 1990’s all over again - a bag of dog kibble = one month’s pension. The population truly believes it is entirely the US and EU that has brought about the need for Russia to launch this military action to “denazify” Ukraine and confront head on, Western totalitarianism.
And no, they do not see practically the entire planet united against them. Only those morally depraved states beholden to the US.
Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.
Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.
The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.
Given enough time, another "world war" is pretty much a sure thing unless:
- We get invaded by aliens (from outer space) first
- We migrate off planet Earth first
- Another global catastrophe got the human race first (pandemic, climate change, mad science gone bad, big meteor, etc.)
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@Copper said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.
Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.
The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.
If that’s your story and it makes you feel better about then stick with it. It’s still entirely Putin’s war and his doing until such time he is no longer in the Kremlin.
“Little by little I am learning the art of being quite content by doing very little slowly” ~ Lionel Hardcastle
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@Copper said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.
Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.
The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.
Nuclear bomb detonates in Paris. Americans wonder what effect this will have on the mid-terms.
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Ukraine is now sending Terminators after the Rus.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Copper said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
Sounds like ww3 is pretty inevitable, then.
Yes, that was the shift in the conversation this week.
The democrats must keep the war option on the front page until after the election.
If that’s your story and it makes you feel better about then stick with it. It’s still entirely Putin’s war and his doing until such time he is no longer in the Kremlin.
Maybe you missed it
The democrats are now using this war as their #1 talking point
Mr. Biden is a war hero
Mr. Putin is a bad guy and Mr. Biden is protecting the world. Most of the guys pushing this story couldn't pick Mr. Putin out of a lineup.
